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My HK set has arrived. I think I'll give MI3 a spin a bit later.
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I knew about the lack of extras for MI3 but I'm surprised that the extras for MI and MI2 are missing from the HK set, I don't think I saw anyone mention that before. It's not not a big deal, seeing as the best extra from the MI2 DVD wasn't on the Blu-ray anyway.

MI isn't outstanding, but it's great for a Paramount catalogue title. It's not a new transfer, no sir, but the new encode looks more like the HD DVD rather than the DNR infested US Blu-ray. The lossless sound is a bit flat compared to ye olde AC3 laserdisc, yet give it a bit of extra volume and it can still shake the room.

MI2 again uses the old transfer with a new encode, so expect lots of visible grain & EE, some decent fine detail though. Sound is very nice.

MI3 looks very good indeed, although it does veer into 'my first DI' territory at times, with yellow skin tones that make people look like they've got liver problems and visibly crushed blacks. The black level itself is dark and inky, but there's nada in the shadows. I remember seeing both of these issues on previous versions, so I'm pointing no fingers at the encode. Unlike before, there's no shimmering on the Vatican wall (where the van breaks down) but I did still catch a glimpse of it on the stairs in that interior shot. The lossless sound is excellent, although it's quite a lean-sounding mix so my sub was curiously subdued.
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I believe the 'issues' with MI:3, color timming and some black crush, have nothing to do with the transfer. They're clearly post processing manipulations, prossibly deliberate intentions, and no byproduct or fault of the transfer. Grain reproduction is excellent, it looks very fine and natural.

I can post some captures if anyone can point me to any free hosting website that can handle 1080p images.

Regarding the audio, I thought LFE was proeminently used throughout most of the movie, either in action scenes or in the music score.

My opinion on the the first one, is that it's the tipical paramunt bad catalog job, heavy DNR+ digital noise overlay.
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I believe the 'issues' with MI:3, color timming and some black crush, have nothing to do with the transfer. They're clearly post processing manipulations, prossibly deliberate intentions, and no byproduct or fault of the transfer. Grain reproduction is excellent, it looks very fine and natural.

I can post some captures if anyone can point me to any free hosting website that can handle 1080p images.

Regarding the audio, I thought LFE was proeminently used throughout most of the movie, either in action scenes or in the music score.

My opinion on the the first one, is that it's the tipical paramunt bad catalog job, heavy DNR+ digital noise overlay.

Yep they are Abrams-vision choices
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Sure. As I said, it's all a bit 'DI for beginners' and nothing to do with the encode itself.

I still rate MI's new encode though. It ain't great, but there's still some tiny semblance of naturalism there which is lacking on the existing Blu-ray, which has had even more DNR applied to it.
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Sure. As I said, it's all a bit 'DI for beginners' and nothing to do with the encode itself.

I still rate MI's new encode though. It ain't great, but there's still some tiny semblance of naturalism there which is lacking on the existing Blu-ray, which has had even more DNR applied to it.

The DI processes is the worst thing to happen to modern movies.
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The DI processes is the worst thing to happen to modern movies.

As opposed to old movies?
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As opposed to old movies?

Them too
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The DI processes is the worst thing to happen to modern movies.

Blame the tools, not the filmmakers. Good policy.

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Screenshots comparison of the MPEG-2 (EU Edition) and the AVC (Asia Edition) encode of Mission: Impossible III, basically the differences are minimal (better grain retention, slightly less blocking on complex scenes, etc.), the master seems to be the same since both share the same encoding glitches!!! (a couple of green blocks on two frames):

AVC (Top) Vs MPEG-2 (Bottom)
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Are there any comparisons between MI1 and MI2? Thats where I'd expect the major differences.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Seems the scandinavian set is superior to HK.

AVC and DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 on all three. Plenty of extras on 1-2 and only commentary on 3.

Gonna get it from post office tonight. It´s reported regionfree.

Bought it myself for 19 euro with shipping (though I live in sweden) so I´m happy
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I saw the 4th movie the other day and surprisingly enjoyed it. I didn't have much expectation, nor read anything about it. The image seemed a bit soft to me and grain not very visible, but I don't know if that was a projector issue or just the source. I will be curious how the BD compares.

Seeing it though kind of made me want to watch the first three movies. I saw the first movie when it came out, but hardly remember much of it...never saw II and III. I'll see if I can rent them.

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Are there any comparisons between MI1 and MI2? Thats where I'd expect the major differences.

The visible differences between the original Blu-rays and the VC-1 encoded HD DVDs were minimal, about the same as what squallmx described in his new comparison. M:I-2 is a really crappy, dated, edge-enhanced master created back in 2000 for the DVD release. Re-encoding the compression on that isn't going to fix its biggest problems. It can only smooth over some of the smaller MPEG-2 specific problems. The movie desperately needs a new scan.

The first Mission: Impossible came from a newer master made for its Collector's Edition DVD re-release in 2006. The Blu-ray for that looks fine to me, IMO.

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M:I 3 at least could be helped by a new encode. The US Paramount disc is absolutely riddled with macroblocking in a number of scenes.
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The first two could do with 4k scans
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Just heard of this. Potentially exciting news. I've been waiting for a decent release of these. In my searching for the lossless question, I found a clue. First off, it's also getting a U.S. release on 12/06. Secondly, the Wal-mart product description lists DTS-HD MA (along with "Dolby Digital 5.1" so ... well, there ya go)

http://www.walmart.com/ip/17753379?s...i_sku=17753379

Did u personally confirm it?
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The visible differences between the original Blu-rays and the VC-1 encoded HD DVDs were minimal, about the same as what squallmx described in his new comparison. M:I-2 is a really crappy, dated, edge-enhanced master created back in 2000 for the DVD release. Re-encoding the compression on that isn't going to fix its biggest problems. It can only smooth over some of the smaller MPEG-2 specific problems. The movie desperately needs a new scan.

The first Mission: Impossible came from a newer master made for its Collector's Edition DVD re-release in 2006. The Blu-ray for that looks fine to me, IMO.

Sounds like it's probably not worth the $83 to import it. I know it's subjective, but do you think the lossless audio makes any difference on the movies? I still have the HD DVD trilogy, and though DD+, the audio seemed pretty decent on them.

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Sounds like it's probably not worth the $83 to import it. I know it's subjective, but do you think the lossless audio makes any difference on the movies? I still have the HD DVD trilogy, and though DD+, the audio seemed pretty decent on them.

To be clear, I don't have the Hong Kong Blu-rays. I used to have the old Blu-rays and the HD DVDs. I kept the HD DVDs due to the DD+ and the superior extras on M:I-3.

In any case, I don't think it's worth the $83 to import this set, because it seems to me that Paramount has another opportunity to re-release these movies in a new box set later this year when M:I-4 comes out, and I'm hoping they'll include the re-authored discs at that time.

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DD at 650kbs is the same as DD+, or so I am lead to believe.

I also agree re-encoding a bad master in AVC where it was MPEG2 won't make it that much better.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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Sounds like it's probably not worth the $83 to import it. I know it's subjective, but do you think the lossless audio makes any difference on the movies? I still have the HD DVD trilogy, and though DD+, the audio seemed pretty decent on them.

I would wait and see what they release when Ghost Protocol hits home video
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DD at 650kbs is the same as DD+, or so I am lead to believe.

Paramount used the higher 1.5 Mb/s version of DD+ on HD DVD.

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Paramount used the higher 1.5 Mb/s version of DD+ on HD DVD.

Diminishing returns anyway. DD+ @1.5Mbps sounds the same as DD @640kbps.

Marketing.

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Didn't the 1.5 mpbs have to do with HDDVD specific metadata anyway? In BluRay DD+ has to have more than 5.1 channels or something.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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Mission Impossible II comparison: US (MPEG-2) vs. NL (AVC):

The improvement in PQ is marginal at best, and MI 2 still has the worse PQ of the 3 movies. The backcover lists the Mission Improbable MTV Movie Awards Parody as one of the extras but it's nowhere to be found on the disc.
EDIT: Actually, it IS on the disc, but not accessible via the disc menu... (which they didn't bother to update)
EDIT 2:Actually, it is also on the old 2006 US disc (and also not accessible via the menu but at least can be accessed by selecting Title 16 during playback) ²

MPEG-2 (left) vs. AVC (right):












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My name is mi2 and I need a new transfer
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Look identical to me. Sticking with my VC-1 HD DVD's.
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Is a very outdated transfer. It's need a new 4k DI.
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Diminishing returns anyway. DD+ @1.5kbps sounds the same as DD @640kbps.

Marketing.

Uh, no.

First off, DD+ at 1.5 kb/s would be unlistenable. As would just about any audio format.

DD+ at 640 kb/s sounds the same as DD at the same rate. DD+ at 1.5 Mb/s approaches audible transparency. This isn't marketing. This has been tested and confirmed by people who actually mix movies for a living.

This is all a moot point anyway, as that version of DD+ went extinct with the death of HD DVD.

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I have said it before and I will say it again, specs do not a good disc make
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