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DJBeanPole's Avatar DJBeanPole
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I still don't get the come into a thread to show how much you hate something mentality.
People nearly died filming that sequence, so he decided not to put more people at risk.

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Yep. But it's so fahionable to "hate" the guy that people just don't see it. Not many can shoot an action scene like him. But nooooo, it's Michael Bay so it's obviously tasteless crap.

All I have to say is:



I for one will be picking this up, like I have the previous TF movies, on release day. I enjoyed the third and found it to actually have the best story of all the movies. I have an overactive imagination and can't get enough of these movies !

What sequence in The Island are you talking about where ppl almost died?
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All I have to say is:

I for one will be picking this up, like I have the previous TF movies, on release day. I enjoyed the third and found it to actually have the best story of all the movies. I have an overactive imagination and can't get enough of these movies !

What sequence in The Island are you talking about where ppl almost died?

http://stardustafrica.wordpress.com/...-transformers/
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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Yep. But it's so fahionable to "hate" the guy that people just don't see it. Not many can shoot an action scene like him. But nooooo, it's Michael Bay so it's obviously tasteless crap.

He may have a lot of stuff happening in his action sequences, but they are edited so poorly and so quickly and have that crazy shakey-cam aspect you can hardly tell what's going on.

There are other directors who have done a much better job sequencing action that's taut and suspenseful and you can still follow what's happening in a logical manner.

Take for instance the famous chase sequences from William Friedkin's The French Connection, or Peter Yate's Bullitt, or John Frankenheimer's Ronin, or any number of shootout sequences in Sergio Leone's westerns.

Michael Bay and his team can be quite sloppy. If they shot and edited their stuff better, then I could then see them as having the potential for great action stunt pieces.
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He may have a lot of stuff happening in his action sequences, but they are edited so poorly and so quickly and have that crazy shakey-cam aspect you can hardly tell what's going on.

There are other directors who do a much better job sequencing action that's taut and suspenseful and you can still follow what's happening in a logical manner.

Take for instance the famous chase sequences from William Friedkin's The French Connection, or Peter Yate's Bullitt, or John Frankenheimer's Ronin, or any number of shootout sequences in Sergio Leone's westerns.

Michael Bay and his team can be quite sloppy.

But they are 70's directors making films for that era.
Most 12 y/o's would be bored stupid if you sat them in front of a Leone movie.
He makes loud dumb films and makes money, other directors on the whole love him.
I could spend £50 on a steak, or £5 at Burger King, sometimes I just fancy a Burger King.
Super 8 was my movie of the summer, but I enjoyed TF for what it was.
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^ Gonna have to disagree with you on this one, Dan. I'm usually a super cool Bay basher, but I happen to think he can and does direct some well done action sequences. His choice of takes, script, plots, etc., make suck ass at times, but his giant robots fighting tend to work for me.

Now, that's not to say that ALL of his action is done properly...but he does get it right a lot of times. IMO, of course.
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Bay is a lazy and sad excuse for a film director. He cares less and less about making a quality film. His focus has become how fat of a check he can expect. Continuity? Bay could care less.
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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Bay is a lazy and sad excuse for a film director. He cares less and less about making a quality film. His focus has become how fat of a check he can expect. Continuity? Bay could care less.

I'd have to agree. Sometimes he'll surprise you with a few well thought out sequences, but then devolve as if he got bored or his ADD kicked in and said "f--k it" and threw the roll of film in a Cuisinart blender and then slapped it back on the spool.

Armageddeon and TF2 were the ones that really took the cake for "my brain almost crawled out of my ears trying to escape the insultingly banal madness."

MTV music videos, movies are not.
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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But they are 70's directors making films for that era.
Most 12 y/o's would be bored stupid if you sat them in front of a Leone movie.
He makes loud dumb films and makes money, other directors on the whole love him.
I could spend £50 on a steak, or £5 at Burger King, sometimes I just fancy a Burger King.
Super 8 was my movie of the summer, but I enjoyed TF for what it was.

Ronin was released in 1998. A master director is still a master director even if he shot movies in the '50s.

But does my BK Whopper have to insult my intellect as well as I'm eating it?
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I have to say that I've enjoyed some of his films and not others. It all comes down to an interesting plot for me. Transformers 2 just didn't have an interesting story from my point of view. I haven't seen 3, but I'll be buying it blind anyway. His films always sound good on my HT, that's one thing I can be sure of.
Dan Hitchman's Avatar Dan Hitchman
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I have to say that I've enjoyed some of his films and not others. It all comes down to an interesting plot for me. Transformers 2 just didn't have an interesting story from my point of view. I haven't seen 3, but I'll be buying it blind anyway. His films always sound good on my HT, that's one thing I can be sure of.

I was like that too when I bought my newest surround processor, speakers, and Blu-ray player... buying a few movies that mainly were orgasms of sight and sound.

But that wore off. I crave a good story and good acting more.

Now, if it's a good story and has reference video and audio, then I'm in Heaven.
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Bay is a lazy and sad excuse for a film director. He cares less and less about making a quality film. His focus has become how fat of a check he can expect. Continuity? Bay could care less.

And by all accounts, his checks are rather fat. We the public are more to blame than he is.
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Ronin was released in 1998. A master director is still a master director even if he shot movies in the '50s.

But does my BK Whopper have to insult my intellect as well as I'm eating it?

I am aware of the release date of Ronin, and I am in no way saying he is a better director.
I went into TF not expecting intelligence, it's odd you did.
Look at the Paul Anderson's one makes more money than the other, means nothing about quality.
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Yep. But it's so fahionable to "hate" the guy that people just don't see it. Not many can shoot an action scene like him. But nooooo, it's Michael Bay so it's obviously tasteless crap.

I've seen every movie he made except this TF ,and unfortunately most of his work is garbage,but some has some entertaining value.As a craftsman though, you gotta be kidding me,but I don't hate the guy that would require too much emotions on my part, which I just won't invest into.
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Whatever. I love MB and his films (well, except for Bad Boys II) as well as Leone and just got my Citizen Kane UCE this week.

My favorite film of his is Pearl Harbor, which I'm convinced his haters will never, ever understand.

He makes very interesting, fun rides.

I'm also going to skip this release and wait for the more full-featured release coming along later.
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My favorite film of his is Pearl Harbor, which I'm convinced his haters will never, ever understand.

No, we will never understand the numerous lazy continuity errors and downright offensive historical falsehoods. It's Pear Harbor...as if directed by a 12 year old who had never been handed a history book.
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But does my BK Whopper have to insult my intellect as well as I'm eating it?

Yes, Because your intellect is telling you "eating this can kill me"
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No, we will never understand the numerous lazy continuity errors and downright offensive historical falsehoods. It's Pear Harbor...as if directed by a 12 year old who had never been handed a history book.

Say what what you will, but Pearl Harbor's a comedy masterpiece, IMO.
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Say what what you will, but Pearl Harbor's a comedy masterpiece, IMO.

I thought Armageddon was. But, I'll accept that one too.

Now, I don't expect all action movies to be high art, but I do expect them to put some modicum of effort into the script and the film making techniques.

Summer movies should be exciting, but also imaginative, and creative. Not just dumb with loud soundtracks and random orgasms of hyper visual stimuli.
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I thought Armageddon was. But, I'll accept that one too.

Now, I don't expect all action movies to be high art, but I do expect them to put some modicum of effort into the script and the film making techniques.

Summer movies should be exciting, but also imaginative, and creative. Not just dumb with loud soundtracks and random orgasms of hyper visual stimuli.

To be fair his problem is that he is ALL technique
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Blu-ray.com review is up - this looks like one reference disc all right- as was expected - well, the PQ almost , but the AQ certainly

And High-def Digest too.
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Blu-ray.com review is up - this looks like one reference disc all right- as was expected - well, the PQ almost , but the AQ certainly

And High-def Digest too.

Thanks for your post! Read both reviews and that settles it for me. Buying this release day-1 no need for 3D or extras here!
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thanks for your post! Read both reviews and that settles it for me. Buying this release day-1 no need for 3d or extras here!

+1
dvdmike007's Avatar dvdmike007
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I want the extras personally
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I want the 3D
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I want to wait for the AVS review.

(but I'll probably rent it first, and then buy the fuller release later, once it's out... not for 3D, but for the extras)
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Say what what you will, but Pearl Harbor's a comedy masterpiece, IMO.

To each their own.

Though I have the BD, the version of the film I prefer is on the Vista Series DVD.

If you want to laugh at it, that's fine; I find it a fine piece of dramatic film making.

Armageddon, on the other hand, is a roller coaster ride on film, though it has its emotional moments as well, particularly if you watch the Director's Cut on the Criterion (sadly non-anamorphic) DVD.
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Armageddon, on the other hand, is a roller coaster ride on film

True enough, I think I did have to vomit after seeing it.
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I want to wait for the AVS review.

(but I'll probably rent it first, and then buy the fuller release later, once it's out... not for 3D, but for the extras)

100 out of a max possible score of 100 on the audio/video rating? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1362191
Kalani's Avatar Kalani
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100 out of a max possible score of 100 on the audio/video rating? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1362191

Yeah, I just got finished reading that review, actually. Sweet!

Still, going to rent for now, and purchase the full version with extras later.
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100 out of a max possible score of 100 on the audio/video rating? http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1362191

Me Gusta!

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