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"First Blood" / "Rambo" I-III - 2011 remasters (EU & AU)

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It's probably deserving of its own thread, but Stallone fans should know (if they haven't found out already) that First Blood, Rambo II & III have been fully remastered overseas and they look spectacular. Transfers are markedly superior to any prior release of the three movies (they claim they were derived from the negatives). Available this week in Australia and later this fall in the UK (they'll be region free). I imported the German version and it looks great, also includes every extra some of which weren't on the US Blu-Rays (only hitch with the German version is the lack of Russian dialogue subs on Rambo III, so I'd recommend waiting on the Aussie or UK versions).

First Blood
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/74635/ (from SwissHD)
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...on.php?cID=532
Rambo: First Blood Part II
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...on.php?cID=534
Rambo III
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleich...on.php?cID=536

Detail looks better/worse to me depending on which First Blood shot you pick, while II looks notably better but is reframed with a big push to the right and III has overblown contrast in cap 11.

Apparently the German has no English subs for Rambo III's Russian dialogue and Australia has a different disc that's locked to Region B. Haven't heard the story with the UK release.
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Color is different but detail is about the same.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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The differences between the old and the new First Blood are big. All the screenshots have more detail to my eyes. The first one is incredible as there is now a mountain in the background and tons of detail on the water.

The other too look good as well. I'll be looking into these new versions. Thanks for the heads up!
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I hope so because I ordered the set from Italy.

But atleast the colors look much better. Hopefully I get this as quick as I got my first order from Amz.it!
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Those look very nice. Looks like the lenses they used were very soft but the texture and overall integrity of the image is much improved.
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There's no doubt there's more detail in these. BTW I suspect the UK release of RAMBO III will be locked to Region B also since my Australian disc lists only UK/Australia on start-up...so just a heads up (First Blood and Rambo II are A/B/C enabled on both the Australian and German releases).

If you have a region free player, and/or dont care about Rambo III and its English subs, I wouldnt hesitate to recommend these. Between the superior transfers and all the extras from prior DVD releases (very few of which made the US BD's) they're well worth picking up for Rambo fans.
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So is the grenade pack out on monday the new transfers?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B005...6111103&sr=8-4

It's three times the price
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Don't think so.

Way better than past edition but still some visible DNR.
Also, the filter "kicks in" after few frames into a shot, like in this example I made (two consecutive frames taken from the actual Blu-Ray):



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(Frames are named "Rambo" 'cause that's how we call First blood in Italy)

Star Trek 3 Blu-Ray had a similar issue if I remember correctly.

PQ in Rambo II fares better: DNR still present but at a tolerable level, with only slight freezing effects on grain and no waxy faces. Light blurring on skin texture in some close shots though.

And costrast seems little cranked up at times.

Rambo III is almost perfect with also a very high detail.
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So is the grenade pack out on monday the new transfers?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B005...6111103&sr=8-4

It's three times the price

Yeah it's why I ordered the Australian version. I have to assume the grenade pack has the new transfers -- wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Will be interesting to see if Rambo III is region locked there since the picture makes it out to be region free, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
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So is the grenade pack out on monday the new transfers?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B005...6111103&sr=8-4

It's three times the price

I would not pay extra for the "grenade".

But the Finnish Grenade specs were 99% (some mistake I guess) the same as the German Ultimate Trilogy plus the discs themselves have the exact same printing on the surfaces. So I'm 99% sure the Grenade Trilogy = Ultimate Trilogy. Only thing is that in the UK you get 4 films in the grenade compared to other EU grenades (Rambo 4 theatrical UK have only English subs by Sony/only meant for the UK).
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Don't think so.

Way better than past edition but still some visible DNR.
Also, the filter "kicks in" after few frames into a shot, like in this example I made (two consecutive frames taken from the actual Blu-Ray):

Is that everywhere or just the extra grainy stuff?
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Rambo III is almost perfect with also a very high detail.

High contrast by the looks of it.

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Is that everywhere or just the extra grainy stuff?

Extra grainy but also some less grainy shots, especially in low light scenes.
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Extra grainy but also some less grainy shots, especially in low light scenes.
Atleast those shots in Rambo: First Blood in the old old mine - caps made me think they removed the artifacts of the low lit scene and replaced them with black. But I have to see by myself if they did a good job or not in that particular scene. I didn't notice any conventional DNR though in the caps.
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I would not pay extra for the "grenade".

But the Finnish Grenade specs were 99% (some mistake I guess) the same as the German Ultimate Trilogy plus the discs themselves have the exact same printing on the surfaces. So I'm 99% sure the Grenade Trilogy = Ultimate Trilogy. Only thing is that in the UK you get 4 films in the grenade compared to other EU grenades (Rambo 4 theatrical UK have only English subs by Sony/only meant for the UK).

Not only that, the actual grenade looks much worse than what is pictured on Amazon.uk.
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Yeah it's why I ordered the Australian version. I have to assume the grenade pack has the new transfers -- wouldn't make sense otherwise.

Will be interesting to see if Rambo III is region locked there since the picture makes it out to be region free, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Is the Australian version region free?
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Is the Australian version region free?

Aussie versions of Rambo - First Blood trilogy are AB. Not sure why they didn't make it ABC.

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Is the Australian version region free?

RAMBO III isn't region free on the Aussie set. It's Region B locked (I have it). The first two movies are Region A/B/C.
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So what is the consensus on this 2011 remastered Rambo trilogy? What do you experts say and are you yourselves upgrading from the older releases?

From what I can see myself:

First Blood - From Caps-A-Holic comparisons, every picture that has faces, the new 2011 transfer has more detail and better contrast. The landscape scenery, forests, rocks, etc. seem to look better in the older U.S. release.

Rambo: First Blood Part II - Again 50/50 for me. A lot of dirt and film damage has been cleaned up. Some pictures have more detail, while others don't look any better, just slightly different. It also looks like they were artificially sharpened.

Rambo III - There's no way that this looks better that the U.S. release. White crush in just about every picture. The contrast is boosted and the image has been sharpened. It just looks wrong. Even though there are more details in certain areas of the screenshots compared to the U.S. release, the other areas actually have less detail due to white crush. Plus skin tones have a purple tint in a few screenshots.

So what's the final word on this release?

I'll probably grab First Blood if it gets a separate release, it's the only one that appears to have a marked improvement.

I have no interest in upgrading the sequels, My take on those closely mirror your own.
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From what I can see myself:

Rambo: First Blood Part II - Again 50/50 for me. A lot of dirt and film damage has been cleaned up. Some pictures have more detail, while others don't look any better, just slightly different. It also looks like they were artificially sharpened.

I am actually most interested in part II. I think the jungles that are my favourite sceneneries in all the Rambos will look beautiful in this new ultimate edition. I remember I was otherwise happy with John Rambo (Rambo 2009) but the beauty of the jungle isn't on the level that it is (hopefully) in the new Rambo II disc with higher fidelity and very much improved greenes.
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Hey guys, please help! I'm trying to find out if the UK Rambo "Special Grenade Packaging" has the same new transfers as the German/Aussie ones. Can someone confirm that they are? I want all four movies with the best picture and sound...and also able to play in the US. Thanks!
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Rambo: First Blood definitive version?

Hey guys I want to get the best available version of this movie, from what I can find the German edition is meant to be the best... Has anybody compared the Australian version ? I'm in the uk so either are viable options
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I'd hold off on purchasing anything right now. We're getting Expendables 3 and Rambo 5 after that, so it's likely that a new American release of the original Rambo trilogy with newer 4K transfers is coming.
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I'd hold off on purchasing anything right now. We're getting Expendables 3 and Rambo 5 after that, so it's likely that a new American release of the original Rambo trilogy with newer 4K transfers is coming.
That would be awesome! thanks for the response, might still grab the DE release as my girlfriend has never seen it(!) and I've not seen anyone post anthing about the AUS version
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That would be awesome! thanks for the response, might still grab the DE release as my girlfriend has never seen it(!) and I've not seen anyone post anthing about the AUS version
so the german set isn't good?

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so the german set isn't good?
No, for the simple reason that the Rambo III disc is not 100% English friendly. It does not have a proper English interface like the first two movies, or subs for the non-English dialogue.

The UK and Australian discs are a different encoding and do include the correct subs, etc, but are locked to region B. I found this out after buying the Scandinavian set.

Despite my initial misgivings about these transfers, they smoke the Lionsgate discs, IMO. Still hate the lossless 5.1 audio, though. The surround tracks are thankfully there, but in standard DTS.
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