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post #271 of 663 Old 09-26-2011, 03:50 PM
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Neither. I used PowerDVD 9, 10, and 11, as well as Total Media Theater 5, and all experienced some sort of issue. And I experienced the bomb on PDVD 10. All players were set to PCM too.

Then, if you're receiving the bomb on PCM, it is the Power DVD as nobody else is having problem with PCM. Time to get a player.

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I guess that's expected since it doesn't support DTS-HD decoding. Also no problem with a Yamaha RX-V1800 decoding the bitstream.

The PS3 does the decoding.
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I experianced DTS bomb while forwording during the opening title in episodeIII. Usning Oppo 93 and Onkyo 876.
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Pioneer?

I guess I'd better do the Ep. IV, skip to chapter 16 test on my TXH-94. I've never heard the DTS Bomb on this receiver, but I sure wouldn't want that kind of surprise.

With my Pioneer 94THX, I'm on the firmware version where f=2.07, and I do not get the DTS Bomb when doing the "skip to Chapter 16" on Episode IV. And I've never heard it before on any bitstreamed Bluray, so I guess I'm in the clear for whatever reason.

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Is there any news about what we should do to stop the dts bomb,should I call Onkyo & onkyo pro.Is the bomb only when you bitsteam or does pcm do it also? Still havnt decided if Im going to return StarWars yet.thanks
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My guess is that it is unusual DTS encodes that confuse some decoders into creating the explosion of sound: DTS-HD MA 6.1 is not all that common.

I'm sure I read somewhere that 6.1 contains discrete plus matrixed information in the data.

Personally I think they should stick with 7.1 and 5.1 discrete, where the processing has already been done by the encoder.
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Is there any news about what we should do to stop the dts bomb,should I call Onkyo & onkyo pro.Is the bomb only when you bitsteam or does pcm do it also? Still havnt decided if Im going to return StarWars yet.thanks

call Onkyo and report it... the more callers, the better the chances they will fix the issue... BTW, what model Onkyo do you have?

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call onkyo and report it... The more callers, the better the chances they will fix the issue... Btw, what model onkyo do you have?

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My guess is that it is unusual DTS encodes that confuse some decoders into creating the explosion of sound: DTS-HD MA 6.1 is not all that common.

I'm sure I read somewhere that 6.1 contains discrete plus matrixed information in the data.

Personally I think they should stick with 7.1 and 5.1 discrete, where the processing has already been done by the encoder.

That is the case with DTS ES 6.1, but afaIK DTS-HD MA 6.1 has 7 discrete channels in the stream (it allows for a total of 8 which would be 7.1). Still it is fairly odd and as I pointed out over the weekend there are only about 21 or so distinct different "movie" release that use the DTS-HS MA 6.1 flavor and only 14 or so "releases" some of those being box sets and many are duplications of similar already released material (X-men 3 Last Stand, LotR releases, the 3 SW releases etc.). When you get right down to it there are about 10 or so actual releases (counting the two LotR are one except I'm sure there are differences in the mastering of the soundtrack between the 2 sets).

You might be thinking about the fact that DTS-HD MA contains two streams, the core DTS 5.1 and the stream that is the delta of it and the full lossless stream combined together to produce the entire soundtrack.
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Jon S I have the Onkyo 805 in living room & Onkyo Pro 5507 pre-pro in my Ht, thanks I will call them but this is going to take awhile for Onkyo to fix! When i had the bomb 3 yrs ago it was on the movie Alien vs Predator requim,which I sold was that movie in 6.1?
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Jon S I have the Onkyo 805 in living room & Onkyo Pro 5507 pre-pro in my Ht, thanks I will call them but this is going to take awhile for Onkyo to fix! When i had the bomb 3 yrs ago it was on the movie Alien vs Predator requim,which I sold was that movie in 6.1?

can you verify:
a. The DTS bomb still happens on your 805
b. the 805 DSP was upgraded for the DTS bomb issue previously...

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Jon S I have the Onkyo 805 in living room & Onkyo Pro 5507 pre-pro in my Ht, thanks I will call them but this is going to take awhile for Onkyo to fix! When i had the bomb 3 yrs ago it was on the movie Alien vs Predator requim,which I sold was that movie in 6.1?

AvPR is 5.1 and the issues are probably similar to the fly. Both fox titles though the fly is much older. Seems the dts bomb is more common on fox than other studios?
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I fixed the original bomb with firmware upgrade & havnt had it since,not tried Star Wars yet,still thinking about returning it.
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I updated the firmware on my Denon 4310CI last night and the audio drops on episodes 2and 4 are gone.
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The firmware update to resolve the Star Wars audio dropout issues was issued between spring and summer of 2010 depending on the model. Any Denon XX08CI or XX10CI networking model that has it's firmware up to date should not have this issue. Any AVR 2310CI unit that has the 3rd firmware update released Feb 2010 installed should not have the issue either. Non networking Denon models can have the issue resolved by sending them to an authorized repair facility that is capable of doing the update (as not all can so call first before shipping unless shipping to the factory repair center PanurgyOEM in NJ). This firmware upgrade is covered as an "in-warranty" repair regardless of whether your unit is still in or out of warranty. Confirm with the repair facility before shipping otherwise they will charge you roughly $90. If they insist there is a charge, call Denon CS to have them contact that repair facility. For those Denon owners of non-networking XX08CI/X88, XX09CI/X89, or 2310CI models with a RS-232 jack (2309CI, 2310CI, 2808CI/988, and 2809CI/989), a firmware update is available for these units that you can install yourselves via a PC laptop. Note this firmware is not supported by Denon should you run in to any problems with it's installation (however, no problems are expected). Please refer to this post for more information on how to obtain the update.

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Just finished watching episode II--no audio issues but did have the 2 points of pixelation--BD-35 going to an onkyo hdmi

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Tried out the chapter skip to chapter 16 on Ep. IV.

Player: Oppo 83
Receiver: Onkyo 605 (patched for original bomb issue)

While I didn't get a massive bomb, I did get a repeatable quieter pop in just the rears. It did not occur when I let chapter 15 play through to chapter 16. When I set the the player to LPCM it also did not happen on the chapter skip.

I'll probably try watching them in full this weekend.

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Just finished watching episode II--no audio issues but did have the 2 points of pixelation--BD-35 going to an onkyo hdmi

Any word from Panasonic on this yet?

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Any word from Panasonic on this yet?

This was posted by MrBoylan on the Big Picture Bigsound forum;

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UPDATE from PANASONIC on DMP-BD35 Playback Issues
Just got an e-mail from our Panasonic contact in Japan. They have reproduced the playback problems (video glitches) on the "Star Wars" set on the DMP-BD35 player. They have tested a potential solution in-house but need to do more extensive testing before packaging up the fix in a firmware update. Affected customers should contact Panasonic Support in your local country to be notified when a fix is available.


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Thans, Saturn - forgot to check Boylan's main forum home. This gives me hope. While not the end of the world, those 2 AOTC points of picture weirdness would undoubtedly bug me for a long time (or until I replaced the 35, anyway). I did contact Panasonic regarding the issue via their website the Monday after the SW release - although I never got an email back.

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Any word from Oppo about any forthcoming firmware?

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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Just got word that Onkyo has been able to replicate the DTS bomb issue on the Star Wars blu-ray discs on a TX-NR906. They are looking into the matter... I hope a fix will be forthcoming.

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I did contact Panasonic regarding the issue via their website the Monday after the SW release - although I never got an email back.

I did contact them over a week ago and never got an email back from them, very poor customer service Anyway, Chris Boylan got a response from them and it looks like a firmware update should be available at the end of October.
As for the AVR firmware update (I have the 890), I just went to pick it up from the service center (luckily I have one 10 min from my work ), I'll report on the success once I get to try it.
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...(or until I replaced the 35, anyway)....

Costco has a Panny for $80. Cured my video issue, and it loads very fast compared to my Panny 55
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As for the AVR firmware update (I have the 890), I just went to pick it up from the service center (luckily I have one 10 min from my work ), I'll report on the success once I get to try it.

How long did the update take and where is the service center located, if I may ask?

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Costco has a Panny for $80. Cured my video issue, and it loads very fast compared to my Panny 55

If there was no hope for an update, that would be the next logical decision for me.

For now, I wait for the update. Faster loads would be nice, though.

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How long did the update take and where is the service center located, if I may ask?

I took it Monday morning and got it back this afternoon. They have service centers all over the place, I got lucky that mine is 10 min away so I didn't have to ship.
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Just got word that Onkyo has been able to replicate the DTS bomb issue on the Star Wars blu-ray discs on a TX-NR906. They are looking into the matter... I hope a fix will be forthcoming.

Hi Jon,

EXCELLENT!!! Hopefully they will have a firmware update that will be relevant to all affected models!!

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