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Wish every catalog titles looked like this.eek.gif

Ditto!

Speaking of "catalog titles," how would we define them? Do they refer to ALL films that were initially released on VHS/DVD?

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For the purposes of transfer quality I'd define "catalog title" as pre-digital intermediate, which became ubiquitous between 2004-2006. If a DI is involved then there's not much to the video transfer except converting the original digital 2K or 4K files to HD; all the heavy lifting's been done during the film's post-production. Something like the 2005 King Kong or I, Robot predates the blu-ray format but is really no different than any new movie for the purposes of blu-ray.
For a movie that was shot, mastered, and printed on analog film, transferring it to digital for home video release is a much more difficult situation.
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For the purposes of transfer quality I'd define "catalog title" as pre-digital intermediate, which became ubiquitous between 2004-2006. If a DI is involved then there's not much to the video transfer except converting the original digital 2K or 4K files to HD; all the heavy lifting's been done during the film's post-production. Something like the 2005 King Kong or I, Robot predates the blu-ray format but is really no different than any new movie for the purposes of blu-ray.
For a movie that was shot, mastered, and printed on analog film, transferring it to digital for home video release is a much more difficult situation.
I can't really argue with your technical points.

FWIW, I think of a "catalog" title as something pre-1990s....not sure why (maybe because I can't remember the 80s?tongue.gif).

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I consider any film that came out before the present home media format to be "catalog". If the Blu-ray wasn't part of the available media on the first home release day, then that means they had to go back to their "catalog" and dust it off for a Blu-ray release. I personally don't think that a DI makes for a good cutoff point. I would consider 1993's "Super Mario Brothers" and 1998's "Pleasantville" to be catalog films, despite the fact that it used a DI process for many scenes.

When we get a 4K/8K format, what then will be considered catalog? Films released before the format existed.

Even if you don't agree with my reasoning, you have to admit that it makes things a lot easier. tongue.gif
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I personally don't think that a DI makes for a good cutoff point. I would consider 1993's "Super Mario Brothers" and 1998's "Pleasantville" to be catalog films, despite the fact that it used a DI process for many scenes.
When we get a 4K/8K format, what then will be considered catalog? Films released before the format existed.
Those films were not DIs in the modern sense though, even O Brother Where Art Thou wasn't even though it was 100% digitally graded. They were digitally color graded then recorded back to film; it was not stored as digital data. So all the same transfer issues apply.
Certainly the DI is not a perfect signpost, particularly since some newer movies don't use them, but the DI is the master format for newer films, and even on a future 4K format, you'll be seeing the same 2K and 4K digital masters since digital color grading is a lot of work and it'll likely be cost-prohibitive to ever redo most of them.
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^^^^^^

Thanks for the replies to my query regarding "catalog titles." For whatever reason I had the same mindset as oink, except I thought it was more like pre-1970s. I did a Google Search and although there were quite a few links to the subject of catalog titles, no one offered a definition. I'm leaning towards nathanddrews's thinking but I appreciated 42041's input about digital intermediates.

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Wish every catalog titles looked like this.eek.gif

Sony's normally do
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Sony's normally do
I agree. Sony invented bluray and the first bluray is a Sony movie. The ps3 helped Sony end the hd war.
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I agree. Sony invented bluray and the first bluray is a Sony movie. The ps3 helped Sony end the hd war.

The first film on a blu-ray was a Sony movie but you cannot buy it on disc, any guesses fact fans?
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I bought the two disc edition. Cant seem to find other trailers for Lawrence on youtube like the 1989 reissue which is rare as hens teeth. That is on the more expensive four disc set.
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I bought the two disc edition. Cant seem to find other trailers for Lawrence on youtube like the 1989 reissue which is rare as hens teeth. That is on the more expensive four disc set.
I actually bought the big giant set because it's one of those movies that's not only worth it, but the included materials are really well done. At $40, I was happy to pony up for it. The coffee table book is worth the price of admission alone. This after owning the "burlap cover edition" (I don't know the official name of it) and the superbit edition on DVD.

It's funny, because in the "Why are BDs still so expensive" thread, someone brought up those big, robust laser disc collections. This not only has those features, but is right about the size of a laser disc package. My copy gets its own shelf, as do the Gone With the Wind and Wizard of Oz collector's sets.

I would have loved to have gotten the big Harry Potter set that comes in the model of Hogwarts, but I don't like the movies nearly well enough to pay the outlandish asking price. For those movies, the individual editions were good enough when I was able to get them on sale.
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I actually bought the big giant set because it's one of those movies that's not only worth it, but the included materials are really well done. At $40, I was happy to pony up for it. The coffee table book is worth the price of admission alone. This after owning the "burlap cover edition" (I don't know the official name of it) and the superbit edition on DVD.

It's funny, because in the "Why are BDs still so expensive" thread, someone brought up those big, robust laser disc collections. This not only has those features, but is right about the size of a laser disc package. My copy gets its own shelf, as do the Gone With the Wind and Wizard of Oz collector's sets.

I would have loved to have gotten the big Harry Potter set that comes in the model of Hogwarts, but I don't like the movies nearly well enough to pay the outlandish asking price. For those movies, the individual editions were good enough when I was able to get them on sale.
Where did you get the big Lawrence set for $40.00, it looks like it's around the 60.00 dollar range.

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