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Sorry bro, haven't quoted the rest because you lose all credibility when you can't spot an optical.

I was going to leave it as I am the wrong person to pick a fight with on that title, glad someone got in tho.

Also that is NOT edge enhancement.
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because of the bluray, it was the first time i actually noticed the meteor or UFO or whatever it is in the background at nighttime.
before i never noticed it. but today i did. awesome bluray transfer for most of the time. there are a few scenes that look out of place, unsharp so to speak. maybe out of focus or DNR to heavy i dont know.
that said i am very happy with this release. lots better then the dvd. is it perfect. no. but well worth the money for me.

Now when you said it i got some weird flashback that i've seen it in some movie, but was it this movie? Can you give me that time mark when it happens in jaws?
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Also that is NOT edge enhancement

Well sir, what is then.. a real ghost maybe.eek.gif

I was going to leave it as I am the wrong person to pick a fight with on that title, glad someone got in tho.

Why not fight, ghostbusters blu-ray have some nasty noise, some black crush and ee. Sony is very good, but i'm not sure about perfection.
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It just is not EE, it is a matte line!!!
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It just is not EE, it is a matte line!!!

I should to know that.redface.gif:rolleyes:
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You'd think the other buildings not having the line would have been a dead giveaway.

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Ah, I just realised it's probably an in-camera matte rather than an optical comp - making a mockery of my own statement above - but the point still stands: it's an effects shot, with all the related artefact therein.
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Pretty sure the tree is an optical
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Yeah, the tree is an optical element for sure, as it's moving over top of the matte painting, but the detail on the live action element at the bottom is VERY nice for a comp, so I thought it might have been packed in-camera somehow. That said, the opticals look surprsingly awesome throughout Ghostbusters on Blu-ray, many of them exhibiting less grain than the non-FX shots. AFAIK they weren't shot on VistaVision, but a quick search of the internets reveals that they were shot large format on 65mm, hence the superior quality. It's even said in this transcribed Starlog article that Boss Film "actually [had] to degrade the effects shot to match the live action".

So I may not have been wrong about that shot being an optical after all. biggrin.gif
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Plus I never recall saying everything Sony do is perfection, just that they can produce discs that I would class as such, also Fox when they bother.
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I've heard from some Jaws superfreaks who are happy (but not 100% satisfied) with the 7.1 audio, so that's piqued my interest in the remix. I'll give a listen to both tracks, gives me an excuse to watch it twice.
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I just about wet myself when Jaws status went to "Shipping Soon" on Amazon !!! biggrin.gif
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I just about wet myself when Jaws status went to "Shipping Soon" on Amazon !!! biggrin.gif

So, it really isn't safe to go back in the water! biggrin.gif

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I think the new BluRay version looks outstanding, probably as good as it could look considering. There are some shots that look blurry and some CA on the closing credits, but in general there isn't much edge enhancement, the opening credits (white) don't have any halos. I think it's a great job and if everything they released of a film this age was this quality I'd have no problem with it.

The stuff that made it look less than perfect to my eyes was in the original film, namely those ugly gaussian soft focus blooming on everything bright white, similar to Superman 1 if I recall. Not sure why some around here seem to think it could have been better, but whatever.
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I think the new BluRay version looks outstanding, probably as good as it could look considering. There are some shots that look blurry and some CA on the closing credits, but in general there isn't much edge enhancement, the opening credits (white) don't have any halos. I think it's a great job and if everything they released of a film this age was this quality I'd have no problem with it.
The stuff that made it look less than perfect to my eyes was in the original film, namely those ugly gaussian soft focus blooming on everything bright white, similar to Superman 1 if I recall. Not sure why some around here seem to think it could have been better, but whatever.

Common, Dude, you know that everything 'looked' bloomy in the 70ies, even in real life rolleyes.gif check your history books...Chicks wore soft gaussian dresses...it's THERE tongue.gif

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On my way to pick this up. I've never wanted to toss in a disk and quickly sample the AUDIO so bad before, which is kinda crazy when I think of all the incredible, more 'current' "wow" type movies that had me drooling to hear them...but after checking out that nifty comparison clip someone posted, I'm fully prepared to experience a good old fashioned mono 2.0 flick from way back when.

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I think the new BluRay version looks outstanding, probably as good as it could look considering. There are some shots that look blurry and some CA on the closing credits, but in general there isn't much edge enhancement, the opening credits (white) don't have any halos. I think it's a great job and if everything they released of a film this age was this quality I'd have no problem with it.
The stuff that made it look less than perfect to my eyes was in the original film, namely those ugly gaussian soft focus blooming on everything bright white, similar to Superman 1 if I recall. Not sure why some around here seem to think it could have been better, but whatever.
As far as I'm concerned diffusion filters and zoom lenses are the teal and orange of 70s cinematography.

Got my disc, will watch it after work. Hope I'm not too disappointed.
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As far as I'm concerned diffusion filters and zoom lenses are the teal and orange of 70s cinematography.
Got my disc, will watch it after work. Hope I'm not too disappointed.

Nice to know you already know you'll be disappointed in some way. Amazing.
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On this board, many here don't enjoy movies, they relish the chance to dissect it and when they find an imperfection somewhere that last mere seconds, it gives them the opportunity to loudly proclaim the transfer's garbage and the movie can't be enjoyed because there was softness here or EE there for 3 seconds. Never mind that 95% of the rest of the transfer is fantastic, all they need is that 5% to get on their high horse.

You can't possibly enjoy a movie if you are distracted by trying to find imperfections. Its absolutely ridiculous. I understand that some transfers can be so bad that it is distracting but Jaws is not one of them. Once I read about people trashing The Thin Red Line BR then it was pretty obvious that people do it for attention.

Jaws is an excellent transfer, I'm astounded by what I saw today and kudos to Universal for putting the time and effort into restoring it properly. There is no such thing as a perfect transfer and I'm sure many here are disappointed that Universal didn't butcher it like they expected so they could say "I told ya so". All that's left now is nitpicking and its funny how many are attacking the audio of a 1970's film because the picture is so good. I would much rather enjoy the movie which has never looked better.
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Nice to know you already know you'll be disappointed in some way. Amazing.

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On this board, many here don't enjoy movies, they relish the chance to dissect it and when they find an imperfection somewhere that last mere seconds, it gives them the opportunity to loudly proclaim the transfer's garbage and the movie can't be enjoyed because there was softness here or EE there for 3 seconds. Never mind that 95% of the rest of the transfer is fantastic, all they need is that 5% to get on their high horse.
You can't possibly enjoy a movie if you are distracted by trying to find imperfections. Its absolutely ridiculous. I understand that some transfers can be so bad that it is distracting but Jaws is not one of them. Once I read about people trashing The Thin Red Line BR then it was pretty obvious that people do it for attention.
Jaws is an excellent transfer, I'm astounded by what I saw today and kudos to Universal for putting the time and effort into restoring it properly. There is no such thing as a perfect transfer and I'm sure many here are disappointed that Universal didn't butcher it like they expected so they could say "I told ya so". All that's left now is nitpicking and its funny how many are attacking the audio of a 1970's film because the picture is so good. I would much rather enjoy the movie which has never looked better.

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Nice to know you already know you'll be disappointed in some way. Amazing.
What can I say, Universal has been very consistent that way. Let me put it this way... I've read the interviews with the restoration techs; if a cook tells you he spit in your food, would it be unreasonable to expect to find spit in your food?

I don't complain about imperfections. I complain about half-assery and deliberate degradation of the transfer. Whether some random internet person thinks that's nitpicking is not my concern.
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On this board, many here don't enjoy movies, they relish the chance to dissect it and when they find an imperfection somewhere that last mere seconds, it gives them the opportunity to loudly proclaim the transfer's garbage and the movie can't be enjoyed because there was softness here or EE there for 3 seconds. Never mind that 95% of the rest of the transfer is fantastic, all they need is that 5% to get on their high horse.
You can't possibly enjoy a movie if you are distracted by trying to find imperfections. Its absolutely ridiculous. I understand that some transfers can be so bad that it is distracting but Jaws is not one of them. Once I read about people trashing The Thin Red Line BR then it was pretty obvious that people do it for attention.
Jaws is an excellent transfer, I'm astounded by what I saw today and kudos to Universal for putting the time and effort into restoring it properly. There is no such thing as a perfect transfer and I'm sure many here are disappointed that Universal didn't butcher it like they expected so they could say "I told ya so". All that's left now is nitpicking and its funny how many are attacking the audio of a 1970's film because the picture is so good. I would much rather enjoy the movie which has never looked better.

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On this board, many here don't enjoy movies, they relish the chance to dissect it and when they find an imperfection somewhere that last mere seconds, it gives them the opportunity to loudly proclaim the transfer's garbage and the movie can't be enjoyed because there was softness here or EE there for 3 seconds. Never mind that 95% of the rest of the transfer is fantastic, all they need is that 5% to get on their high horse.
You can't possibly enjoy a movie if you are distracted by trying to find imperfections. Its absolutely ridiculous. I understand that some transfers can be so bad that it is distracting but Jaws is not one of them. Once I read about people trashing The Thin Red Line BR then it was pretty obvious that people do it for attention.
Jaws is an excellent transfer, I'm astounded by what I saw today and kudos to Universal for putting the time and effort into restoring it properly. There is no such thing as a perfect transfer and I'm sure many here are disappointed that Universal didn't butcher it like they expected so they could say "I told ya so". All that's left now is nitpicking and its funny how many are attacking the audio of a 1970's film because the picture is so good. I would much rather enjoy the movie which has never looked better.
Now that your the end-all on what an "excellent" audio & video transfer is I only have one question:
"Where would science be w/o "nitpicking" the final 5%?"
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Just watched it tonight. my wife and I could not believe how good the video quality was. The sound was ok....not a lot of room for a lot of sound effects but the video quality was crazy good.
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