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I watched this last night (Oppo BDP-93 and ISF'd Panasonic 65" ST30) and thought it looked good. However, the image does have a very slightly smoothed-over look to the image that seems de-grained to an extent or "grain managed" as some would say. I also saw some very slight edge enhancement in some scenes. All in all, most people will still be pleased and these issues are not major in anyway. For Universal, this is a great accomplishment - but it does show they still cannot get it completely right.
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I watched this last night (Oppo BDP-93 and ISF'd Panasonic 65" ST30) and thought it looked good. However, the image does have a very slightly smoothed-over look to the image that seems de-grained to an extent or "grain managed" as some would say. I also saw some very slight edge enhancement in some scenes. All in all, most people will still be pleased and these issues are not major in anyway. For Universal, this is a great accomplishment - but it does show they still cannot get it completely right.

It is one of Universal's best catalogue titles for sure, shame that is a backhanded compliment however!
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I went with the Netherlands digibook.
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I went with the Netherlands digibook.

Pics?
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Is the Canadian digibook the same as the Best Buy exclusive?
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Pics?
There are some pics over on BD.com, in the UK Jaws thread.

Basically, it's the same as the US release. Purely in English, save for the specs sheet.

I ordered it from dvdoutlet.nl, who are awaiting stock.
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Is this release really "Lucasized" like the Da Bev captures would have you believe:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare6/jaws.htm
in the 2nd set of caps the sky completely changes ala Lucas changing the sky in the opening of "AG"?!?!
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Is this release really "Lucasized" like the Da Bev captures would have you believe:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare6/jaws.htm
in the 2nd set of caps the sky completely changes ala Lucas changing the sky in the opening of "AG"?!?!
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Huh? Looks almost the same, with some kind of print damage or artifact in the DVD shot. Don't have the DVD for reference.
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Huh? Looks almost the same, with some kind of print damage or artifact in the DVD shot. Don't have the DVD for reference.
What's "almost"???
It doesn't lOOk the same; check out the clouds on the right (very similar w/the DVD's/not so w/the BD).
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I just finished watching Jaws this weekend with my wife and all I have to say is, Universal did a FANTASTIC job with this movie! The negatives were not in great shape and Universal did an amazing job of restoring this classic. Wonderful BD.

The movie was viewed on my Pioneer Elite 09FD BD player and Pioneer Elite 141FD display.
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What's "almost"???
It doesn't lOOk the same; check out the clouds on the right (very similar w/the DVD's/not so w/the BD).
I'm not sure but it looks like some kind of crud on the film, not clouds.
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What's "almost"???
It doesn't lOOk the same; check out the clouds on the right (very similar w/the DVD's/not so w/the BD).
Taxi for Ed.
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Is this release really "Lucasized" like the Da Bev captures would have you believe:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdcompare6/jaws.htm
in the 2nd set of caps the sky completely changes ala Lucas changing the sky in the opening of "AG"?!?!
confused.gif

Those aren't clouds in the old dvd screen cap. What you see in that particular screen cap is that the dvd (and previous 1995 laserdisc box set) featured what appeared to be a bad frame splice or damage lasting one or two frames max in the upper right hand corner that is not present in the blu-ray release due to either the original pre-final print scene being scanned and used or more likely, the issue being digitally re-touched. Either way, it was the right choice to fix that particular long standing problem and I'm the kinda guy that blanches when a studio digitally removes wires in some old spfx shot for new home video release.
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Those aren't clouds in the old dvd screen cap. What you see in that particular screen cap is that the dvd (and previous 1995 laserdisc box set) featured what appeared to be a bad frame splice or damage lasting one or two frames max in the upper right hand corner that is not present in the blu-ray release due to either the original pre-final print scene being scanned and used or more likely, the issue being digitally re-touched. Either way, it was the right choice to fix that particular long standing problem and I'm the kinda guy that blanches when a studio digitally removes wires in some old spfx shot for new home video release.

The BD package includes the restoration process. And yes, Universal went in frame by frame cleaning up the original negatives that had quite a bit of damage.
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Picked up my copy today with the book included. Looking forward in watching it.
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The BD package includes the restoration process. And yes, Universal went in frame by frame cleaning up the original negatives that had quite a bit of damage.

Are they back to mentioning grain management and DNR in their docs again?
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I just finished watching Jaws this weekend with my wife and all I have to say is, Universal did a FANTASTIC job with this movie! The negatives were not in great shape and Universal did an amazing job of restoring this classic. Wonderful BD.
The movie was viewed on my Pioneer Elite 09FD BD player and Pioneer Elite 141FD display.

Did the same thing, only on an 8-year-old Sony 50" LCD RPTV. It's like seeing the movie for the first time. Color, detail, clothing and skin textures were beautiful. Great viewing experience.
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Are they back to mentioning grain management and DNR in their docs again?

They didn't mention any of that. What they did cover was the meticulous process they went through to restore the film, with some frames taking up to 3+ hrs to clean up.
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Are they back to mentioning grain management and DNR in their docs again?

No, because that's not what they did with this film, despite what you would like to believe. You can't have the detail on this transfer with DNR and there is no edge enhancement anywhere. Sorry.
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It's not like DNR is a two-way switch between "off" and "Predator"... they didn't go bonkers with it but it's certainly present in appreciable quantities (that is, from where I sit).
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It's not like DNR is a two-way switch between "off" and "Predator"... they didn't go bonkers with it but it's certainly present in appreciable quantities (that is, from where I sit).

Of course, the wet-gate scanning process itself softens the image, and that may in fact be what we're seeing on Jaws, and not really any appreciable quantity of DNR (beyond any default settings for AVC encoding, that is).

Go to 2:27 in the video below:


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It's not mere softening of the grain. I'm seeing temporal processing artifacts: smearing, ghosting, unnatural grain 'motion' so to speak... nothing ruinous but kind of annoying.
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It's not mere softening of the grain. I'm seeing temporal processing artifacts: smearing, ghosting, unnatural grain 'motion' so to speak... nothing ruinous but kind of annoying.

Interesting. I noticed none of what you point out, but I have to confess that my setup is far from optimal. 8-foot wide screen, seated at 13-feet back... but single-chip 720p DLP projector and a bulb near the end of its life. In fact, the only thing that stood out to me was moiré on Mayor Vaughn's anchor jacket... but that's because of my resolution. smile.gif
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No, because that's not what they did with this film, despite what you would like to believe. You can't have the detail on this transfer with DNR and there is no edge enhancement anywhere. Sorry.

Um it 1000% has DNR everyone sees it bar yourself, it's not a ton like predator but it is there.
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Yup, there is some DNR on the transfer.
Anyone not seeing it, are either lucky enough to not knowing what to look for, or are just closing their eyes to the problem. wink.gif

Even though it´s there, which is disappointing, the image quality i still a major upgrade.
Maybe all the damage repairs left lots of visible artifacts from it, making the grain structure look funky, so they had no choice to add some DNR?
Oh well...
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Harris says it looks just fine. Here's a working link:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/t/322696/a-few-words-about-jaws-in-blu-ray

image 5 (out of 5?).
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I watched the BD over the weekend. As an overall comment - I thought it tended to look more like video than film especially after watching Chariots of Fire a week or so prior.

I have no idea the condition of the source they had to work with so there's really nothing for me to complain about wrt how they could have done better. DNR was definitely used. The scenes on the ocean with the shark and Quints boat looked the best from a "film like" perspective. And at the other end of the scale, there was a scene with Brody and his son at the dining room table where Brody's face looked like it was made of wax.

larry
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Um it 1000% has DNR everyone sees it bar yourself, it's not a ton like predator but it is there.

Everyone sees it? People in this very thread, bar myself, don't see it. You THINK you see it. This transfer has gotten raves from almost everyone but a handful of people who think they know everything about everything regarding transfers. Smearing? Temporal whatever. Please. I really really really would one day love to go to some of your homes and see how you actually view these transfers - have you watch them in exactly the way you do before reporting your same old same old on these boards. Because there is clearly a disconnect somewhere on this particular title - a simple look at ninety percent of the reviews of this disc will show you that and no amount of "bar yourself" is going to change that.
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Everyone sees it? People in this very thread, bar myself, don't see it. You THINK you see it. This transfer has gotten raves from almost everyone but a handful of people who think they know everything about everything regarding transfers. Smearing? Temporal whatever. Please. I really really really would one day love to go to some of your homes and see how you actually view these transfers - have you watch them in exactly the way you do before reporting your same old same old on these boards. Because there is clearly a disconnect somewhere on this particular title - a simple look at ninety percent of the reviews of this disc will show you that and no amount of "bar yourself" is going to change that.

Would have to agree 100%. Film and BR are inherently different, so that one rarely sees what one sees on screen in a theater. And then there is the matter of having seen something years ago! BR almost always looks better. What will the critics have to say about Lawrence of Arabia when it appears on BR? The 4K projection at The Academy was nothing less than stunning. Is it accurate to the first released prints years ago? No. Like it or not, video like audio has become preference based.
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What will the critics have to say about Lawrence of Arabia when it appears on BR? The 4K projection at The Academy was nothing less than stunning. Is it accurate to the first released prints years ago? No. Like it or not, video like audio has become preference based.
Probably wonderful things, because unlike Universal, Sony doesn't view the film medium as the enemy, and their job as wrangling it with various digital toys.
One rarely sees what one sees at a theater because most home video releases simply aren't that good. There is no fundamental difference there. (and i'm speaking of catalog releases)

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