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R o d's Avatar R o d 09:27 PM 03-23-2012
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Originally Posted by oink View Post

Certainly the DVDbeaver shot is not as detailed....no question.

It's also not as red.

dvdmike007's Avatar dvdmike007 04:00 PM 03-25-2012
filmoreXXX's Avatar filmoreXXX 09:47 PM 03-25-2012
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

Paramount has done stellar work on three films: White Christmas, Breakfast at Tiffany's, and The Ten Commandments. Those three are as good as any Blu-rays ever released. The work on them was done by a man named Ron Smith, who clearly knew what he was doing. He is no longer at Paramount - they thought they could do without his services - they cannot. That is why we got the older transfer of To Catch a Thief used for the last DVD - as good as it is, if they did a transfer from the VistaVision negative it would be as good as The Ten Commandments. That is why Chinatown is off the master used for the last DVD release - it looks good, but could look MUCH better. When Ron was there, there was so much hope for great classic film transfers. Now - not so much.

lets bring back Ron !!
oink's Avatar oink 10:26 PM 03-25-2012
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In cap#9 the EE is gone from the staircase rail (and that's good).

Is this the same master as the DVD?
It kinda looks like it...
paul nyc's Avatar paul nyc 12:18 PM 03-30-2012
From the review at HD DIGEST:

I'm usually not a big fan of Dolby TrueHD tracks, which I feel tend to lack the clarity and nuance of their DTS-HD counterparts, but the TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack for 'Chinatown' just might change my mind.

Um, really?
Thebarnman's Avatar Thebarnman 12:55 PM 03-30-2012
At least things are starting to look up for this Blu-ray release.

Still, a new transfer for Blu-ray would have been better.
spectator's Avatar spectator 01:44 PM 03-30-2012
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Originally Posted by paul nyc View Post

From the review at HD DIGEST:

I'm usually not a big fan of Dolby TrueHD tracks, which I feel tend to lack the clarity and nuance of their DTS-HD counterparts, but the TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack for 'Chinatown' just might change my mind.

Yikes! This, again?

Excepting production errors, lossless is lossless is lossless.
paul nyc's Avatar paul nyc 02:34 PM 03-30-2012
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Yikes! This, again?

Excepting production errors, lossless is lossless is lossless.

Though I do enjoy reading reviews online from various sites, quotes like the one above always have me doing a facepalm. One of the few reviewers that I actually trust is Gary Reber at Widescreen Review. He's been doing this since the laserdisc days and is fantastic. Just my two cents...
spectator's Avatar spectator 02:47 PM 03-30-2012
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Originally Posted by paul nyc View Post

Though I do enjoy reading reviews online from various sites, quotes like the one above always have me doing a facepalm. One of the few reviewers that I actually trust is Gary Reber at Widescreen Review. He's been doing this since the laserdisc days and is fantastic. Just my two cents...

I'm an old WR reader, from issue #2.
PeterTHX's Avatar PeterTHX 03:00 PM 03-30-2012
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Originally Posted by paul nyc View Post

Though I do enjoy reading reviews online from various sites, quotes like the one above always have me doing a facepalm. One of the few reviewers that I actually trust is Gary Reber at Widescreen Review. He's been doing this since the laserdisc days and is fantastic. Just my two cents...

I read WSR until it turned into the DTS Newsletter and the reviews turned into mere capsules that told you nothing.

It was right around the time DVD started hitting it big and Reber was complaining about it being a format for the masses and proposed a LD sized format.
paul nyc's Avatar paul nyc 03:22 PM 03-30-2012
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I read WSR until it turned into the DTS Newsletter and the reviews turned into mere capsules that told you nothing.

It was right around the time DVD started hitting it big and Reber was complaining about it being a format for the masses and proposed a LD sized format.

Yeah, the reviews have gotten smaller, but he still knows his stuff...
wuther's Avatar wuther 08:11 PM 03-30-2012
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Originally Posted by paul nyc View Post

From the review at HD DIGEST:

I'm usually not a big fan of Dolby TrueHD tracks, which I feel tend to lack the clarity and nuance of their DTS-HD counterparts, but the TrueHD 5.1 soundtrack for 'Chinatown' just might change my mind.

Um, really?

I have not been able to tell the AQ difference between DTS, Dolby and Uncompressed PCM HD audio myself, I am no audiophile however.
BIG ED's Avatar BIG ED 02:56 PM 04-03-2012
Well?!?!
Penman's Avatar Penman 08:47 PM 04-03-2012
I received mine today, and I'm happy to check on a scene and report back. Any scene in particular?
BIG ED's Avatar BIG ED 01:52 PM 04-04-2012
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I received mine today, and I'm happy to check on a scene and report back. Any scene in particular?

Congrats!
How bout: Best & Worse?!?!
Penman's Avatar Penman 11:55 AM 04-05-2012
I looked at the credits and the dam hearing sequence (where the livestock are brought in as protest), and I thought both looked very good.

Some posted screenshots showed Gittes' skin tones that looked too red (to my eyes), but they (and the rest of the colors) looked fine on my set-up (RS-1, 122" screen).

I was pleased overall by what I saw in those two sequences.
BIG ED's Avatar BIG ED 08:30 PM 04-06-2012
^^^
Thanks for the input; can't believe I haven't pickED this up yet...
Milt99's Avatar Milt99 10:53 AM 04-07-2012
Picked this up at Fry's for $12.99.
MickB's Avatar MickB 06:23 PM 04-07-2012
I thought most of the movie looked like upscaled dvd.
BIG ED's Avatar BIG ED 08:08 PM 04-07-2012
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I thought most of the movie looked like upscaled dvd.

How so?!?!
haineshisway's Avatar haineshisway 02:50 AM 04-08-2012
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I thought most of the movie looked like upscaled dvd.

Um, no. It's the same transfer that was used for the last DVD, but it looks MUCH better than the DVD. However, if Paramount had kept Ron Smith and he'd done a fresh transfer, it would look astonishing now - it doesn't. It's adequate and perfectly okay, as befits a five or six year old transfer. But Paramount, like other studios, are very aware of how many units this will sell and I guess they finally decided that Ron wasn't worth the money and that it's just easier to release an older transfer.
filmoreXXX's Avatar filmoreXXX 05:52 AM 04-08-2012
out of curiosity , how much would it cost paramount to re-scan the negatives for a proper blu ray?
Penman's Avatar Penman 09:26 AM 04-08-2012
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

Um, no. It's the same transfer that was used for the last DVD, but it looks MUCH better than the DVD. However, if Paramount had kept Ron Smith and he'd done a fresh transfer, it would look astonishing now - it doesn't. It's adequate and perfectly okay, as befits a five or six year old transfer. But Paramount, like other studios, are very aware of how many units this will sell and I guess they finally decided that Ron wasn't worth the money and that it's just easier to release an older transfer.

I guess my question is why the quality of a Blu-ray release should depend on the gifts and skills of a single person. Even if a studio is smart enough to hang on to their uniquely talented employee, accidents happen all the time. So why are all the best transfer eggs put in a single employee's basket*?

*Happy Easter!
haineshisway's Avatar haineshisway 11:51 AM 04-08-2012
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I guess my question is why the quality of a Blu-ray release should depend on the gifts and skills of a single person. Even if a studio is smart enough to hang on to their uniquely talented employee, accidents happen all the time. So why are all the best transfer eggs put in a single employee's basket*?

*Happy Easter!

It's only a question of people knowing what they're doing and having the resources to do it properly. Some do, some don't. Grover Crisp does. Ron did. Now someone makes the decision, "Oh, we've got an HD transfer from five or six years ago, let's just put that out, after all how much better can it look? Well, a fresh scan would look much better because the technology is better - it wouldn't cost all that much, but if someone did it or just left it to a lab and they didn't know what they were doing, well, it could even be worse. The Searchers is a perfect example - at the time a gorgeous transfer off the VistaVision negative - beautifully sharp - but you had someone who had no idea about the color and he screwed it up. He could have easily pulled their IB Tech reference print to use as a guide, but - he didn't. That, apparently, was too much bother. So, we have a way too yellow The Searchers that looks nothing like it should other than being pleasingly detailed and sharp. And that's why you need a Ron Smith or Grover Crisp - because they CARE, they do the research and the result is The Ten Commandments, White Christmas, and Breakfast at Tiffany's from Paramount, three transfers that perfectly replicate what those films should look like, and just about any transfer coming out of Sony.
Robert Harris's Avatar Robert Harris 11:51 AM 04-08-2012
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out of curiosity , how much would it cost paramount to re-scan the negatives for a proper blu ray?

The question is not the cost of scanning, which would run around 60k, but rather the cost of the entire process toward the creation of a new HD master.

That number would be around 120k.

A trifle they take from a great box they have. And an easy decision to make.

RAH
Penman's Avatar Penman 12:00 PM 04-08-2012
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Originally Posted by haineshisway View Post

It's only a question of people knowing what they're doing and having the resources to do it properly. Some do, some don't. Grover Crisp does. Ron did. Now someone makes the decision, "Oh, we've got an HD transfer from five or six years ago, let's just put that out, after all how much better can it look? Well, a fresh scan would look much better because the technology is better - it wouldn't cost all that much, but if someone did it or just left it to a lab and they didn't know what they were doing, well, it could even be worse. The Searchers is a perfect example - at the time a gorgeous transfer off the VistaVision negative - beautifully sharp - but you had someone who had no idea about the color and he screwed it up. He could have easily pulled their IB Tech reference print to use as a guide, but - he didn't. That, apparently, was too much bother. So, we have a way too yellow The Searchers that looks nothing like it should other than being pleasingly detailed and sharp. And that's why you need a Ron Smith or Grover Crisp - because they CARE, they do the research and the result is The Ten Commandments, White Christmas, and Breakfast at Tiffany's from Paramount, three transfers that perfectly replicate what those films should look like, and just about any transfer coming out of Sony.

Thanks for the thorough explanation.

I feel like we're almost better off with obviously craptastic work like Gladiator or Out of Africa, where the work is so conspicuously sub-par that consumer pushback can result in getting a better disc. In contrast, with a B-level job (The Searchers, Chinatown, et al.), there isn't enough of a consumer outcry to justify the expense of re-doing it. So this is probably the best Chinatown will look for a long, long time, I guess.
BIG ED's Avatar BIG ED 07:05 PM 04-08-2012
Any digital mastering artifacts on this release?
Milt99's Avatar Milt99 08:28 PM 04-08-2012
It would be nice to think that if Roman Polanski wasn't what he is, that he would be living in the U.S. and would be able to take interest in his films.
Analogous to the music industry, if the artist( in the case of film, the director) doesn't get involved, the level of care is a toss up.

I for one, would love to see The Fearless Vampire Killers in HD(Criterion?)
as well as other of his films done justice.

I bought Chinatown regardless.
I had to.
dvdmike007's Avatar dvdmike007 03:18 PM 04-11-2012
How is the Fincher/Towne commentary
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