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The whole movie is shot on the same tungsten-balanced 5247 film BTW, since that is the only color negative Kodak offered between 1977ish-1982 (after that it was joined by various iterations of high-speed films)... just slap the appropriate filter in front of the lens to get rid of the blue tint.

D'oh! That'll teach me to post at midnight and not check my facts. You're right, of course... Kodak didn't introduce daylight balanced negative until 1986:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motion_picture_film_stocks#Eastmancolor_Negative_.281982.E2.80.931986.29
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These films aren't shot by robots... there's a guy manually focusing the camera and sometimes he doesn't quite nail it, especially with the low depth-of-field stuff.
Not to mention, the focus puller (ie, the guy manually focusing the camera) usually can't see what he's focusing. He's usually matching up little marks on the focus controls to bits of tape that mark where the focus measurements were taken - taken, by the way, with a tape measure just like you'd find in any Home Depot.

Often, the focus puller is at the mercy of where the PA pulls the end of the tape to. If the guy stops short of the actor's nose, the eyes will be out of focus if they're using a long lens on an extreme closeup. Dolly shots that move along the Z axis (in and out as oppsed to left and right across the screen) complicate things further if the grips let the camera roll a bit past the ending mark - or stop short of it. Finally, actors don't always land on their marks, either and can sometimes step off them when getting their makeup refreshed or during magazine reloads. If no one notices his toe is on the mark instead of his heel, then that shot may be quite soft, depending how long a lens they're using and how wide open the iris is.
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Sounds like they do need robots running the cameras! LOL!!

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The film looked like an 80's film. I have some 80's films here on blu that display that slight out of focus look due to the anamorphic lens. The Star Trek movies with the original cast comes to mind. Most of the focusing and problems occur in the beginning. There were some shots where you can see the work of the focus puller. I think it was just obvious due to the size of the projected image.

Geoff D. - I would guess that the ratio was 2:20:1, the way it was in theaters back then. Hard to tell on that huge screen. I could judge it better if I were viewing it at home. The black bars on the top and bottom were substantial.

I just want to add this too - despite the issues, seeing Raiders on that screen was a blast! biggrin.gif If you are able to see this on the big screen, go and have fun.

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I try to give people credit but every passing day I discover how truly clueless people on these "enthusiast" forums are about films and how they are made. ****in' a, anyone who has seen Raiders can clearly see that it isn't a meticulous photographic masterpiece on the level of a David Lean epic nor was it intended to be. That's not to say it was poorly photographed, far from it. It's great and glamorous and moody and gritty and it's fantastic. I hate hate hate reading complaints about the human errors that give these films their character. It's art, people. Come on.
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I try to give people credit but every passing day I discover how truly clueless people on these "enthusiast" forums are about films and how they are made. ****in' a, anyone who has seen Raiders can clearly see that it isn't a meticulous photographic masterpiece on the level of a David Lean epic nor was it intended to be. That's not to say it was poorly photographed, far from it. It's great and glamorous and moody and gritty and it's fantastic. I hate hate hate reading complaints about the human errors that give these films their character. It's art, people. Come on.

It's fun, more so than art.
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Is fun, more so than art.
Pure distilled bottled perfect fun.
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Who says art can't be fun? Raiders is an artistic triumph as far as I am concerned.
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Who says art can't be fun? Raiders is an artistic triumph as far as I am concerned.

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The whole movie is shot on the same tungsten-balanced 5247 film BTW, since that is the only color negative Kodak offered between 1977ish-1982 (after that it was joined by various iterations of high-speed films)... just slap the appropriate filter in front of the lens to get rid of the blue tint.
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D'oh! That'll teach me to post at midnight and not check my facts. You're right, of course... Kodak didn't introduce daylight balanced negative until 1986:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_motion_picture_film_stocks#Eastmancolor_Negative_.281982.E2.80.931986.29

Turns out I'm wrong again! Reading further on Kodak's site, their first incorporated-color-coupler camera negative film was also called 5247 and it was introduced in 1950 and it was daylight balanced, believe it or not. It's exposure index was only rated at 16 and it lasted 2 years. It was replaced by 5248 (both tungsten balanced at 25 EI and daylight balanced 16 EI) in 1952. In 1974, they re-introduced 5247 as EASTMAN Color Negative II film -- Tungsten, EI 100, Daylight 64. It looks like the daylight stock was discontinued by 1976 and didn't reappear again for a decade as 5297.

So looks like Raiders happened to be made in a period where Kodak wasn't manufacturing daylight balanced color negative film stock (not that they hadn't invented it yet as I previously assumed).

http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/Chronology_Of_Film/1940-1959/index.htm
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/Chronology_Of_Film/1960-1979/index.htm
http://motion.kodak.com/motion/About/Chronology_Of_Film/1980-Today/index.htm
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Persona,

Where did those two shots come from? Very nice.

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Where did those two shots come from? Very nice.

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These look much more promising.
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If the Blu-ray looks like the above two screen shots, then it will be another Spielberg reference 10/10 presentation indeed smile.gif
I thought JAWS looked pretty damn good.
If Indiana shows similar PQ, I will be VERY pleased.....wink.gif

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Raiders

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/144050

Not exact frame, short on time today will correct later


Crusade

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It would be really appreciated if people would avoid using image hosts that have porn ads.

So it s not based on browser history, phew that was worrying
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If the Blu-ray looks like the above two screen shots, then it will be another Spielberg reference 10/10 presentation indeed smile.gif

Another?
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So it s not based on browser history, phew that was worrying
It had better not be, since I'm at work - which is why it was very unwelcome.
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Another?
Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, War of the Worlds, A.I., Color Purple, JAWS, Close Encounters.
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Saving Private Ryan, Minority Report, War of the Worlds, A.I., Color Purple, JAWS, Close Encounters.

Don't get me started
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Don't get me started
What's the matter about Private Ryan (4K Master of 6K Scan of negative by Laser Pacific), Minority Report (4K Master of 6K Scan of negative by Laser Pacific) and the restorations of Jaws and Close Encounters?
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What's the matter about Private Ryan (4K Master of 6K Scan of negative by Laser Pacific), Minority Report (4K Master of 6K Scan of negative by Laser Pacific) and the restorations of Jaws and Close Encounters?

You are new here so I am going to walk away from this
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You are new here so I am going to walk away from this
Maybe i'm new on this Forum, but i know what i'm talking about and the Blu-ray of these movies ensure high fidelity to the Kaminski cinematography, and in the case of JAWS and Close Encounters those restoration give us the max possible on 70's movies shot in anamorphic and with bad condition's negatives, all with invisible compression, and that's enought to say that they are a 10/10 trasfer IMHO.
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I've clearly seen a different Jaws transfer, then. wink.gif
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Raiders of the Lost Ark is easily my favorite movie. It was the first movie I watched in my home theater. About 3 years ago, I loaned out my dvd copy of Raiders to a friend who had never seen it before and it has been missing from my collection since then. So it has been a LONG time since I’ve watched it and I’m definitely having some withdrawals. Looking forward to seeing it start to finish in its best A/V presentation to date.
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I've clearly seen a different Jaws transfer, then. wink.gif
Ok maybe for Jaws they used too much Degrain and other correction (but remember the negative conditions), but it still looks natural and solid (faaar away from BTTF), and watch this movie on the Panasonic VT50 is an amazing experience.

If not 10/10, 9.5/10, as almost every review has reported.

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(faaar away from BTTF)
Totally. smile.gif
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