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I have two copies of The Coppola Restoration Godfather 1/2; the two pack and as part of the trilogy with extra features.

The Godfather BR in the standalone two pack seems to look much better. It has fewer white flecks and other signs of age. This shouldn't be the case--they should be identical as they are based on the same restoration master.

Has anyone ever experienced picture quality variation with different copies of the same movie?
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I have two copies of The Coppola Restoration Godfather 1/2; the two pack and as part of the trilogy with extra features.

The Godfather BR in the standalone two pack seems to look much better. It has fewer white flecks and other signs of age. This shouldn't be the case--they should be identical as they are based on the same restoration master.

Has anyone ever experienced picture quality variation with different copies of the same movie?

Huh, fingers crossed
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It has fewer white flecks and other signs of age.

I would like to make a point of order by saying white flecks are not necessarily a sign of age, I have seen flecks (usually black) on brand new films back in the 80's.
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The Godfather BR in the standalone two pack seems to look much better. It has fewer white flecks and other signs of age.

Anyone else noticed this?

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I have a feeling nobody will have a clear answer till we see some screenshots for comparison.
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That's true. I don't have a blu ray player for my computer. I am assuming this is the only way to get screen captures.
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That's true. I don't have a blu ray player for my computer. I am assuming this is the only way to get screen captures.

Probably the only reliable way, yes... assuming you have turned off all graphics card color boosters, DNR, and edge enhancement features.

When I first read your post, my first thought was "he's got a crap HDMI cable and is seeing sparkles". So you're saying that they "cleaned up" the image for the standalone by removing even more dirt and scratches that they missed during the massive restoration? As I understand it, the box set release was supposed to be excellent already, correct?

Did they toss in some DNR and EE to "make it pop"?
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The Godfather BR in the standalone two pack seems to look much better. It has fewer white flecks and other signs of age. This shouldn't be the case--they should be identical as they are based on the same restoration master.

I'd be willing to bet that both discs are identical. Why you're seemingly experiencing two completely separate transfers is anyone's guess, and there have been a handful of silent replacements - The Descent from Lionsgate, for example - but unless you can provide real world examples like screenshots and bitrate graphs to prove the two transfers really are different, I'm going to assume they are not. If they are it should be easy to show a measurable difference.

After all, how many people on these very forums picked up the Lord of the Rings EE set, only to say "Nope! No green tint here." and then provide no evidence of any sort that what they were claiming was the case?
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That's true. I don't have a blu ray player for my computer. I am assuming this is the only way to get screen captures.

Good camera and a tripod dark room no flash is better than nothing
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Good camera and a tripod dark room no flash is better than nothing

A bluray drive in a computer would be cheaper than that

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A bluray drive in a computer would be cheaper than that

He may already have that
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I think the only proper test would be to run both movies through two identical players using a switcher.

Godfather 1/2 are the only BR's that I have two copies of, so there's never been cause for me to question whether this could be an issue or not.

The only other film I've had multiple copies of was Star Wars on DVD. I had to return my first boxset because the opening crawl on ep. 4 had noticeable artifacting. The second copy was perfect.

I bought the SE SW with the unaltered movies as a bonus and the colors had been changed noticeably, esp. skin tones.

It's likely that the sapphire releases and the boxset BR discs are identical, but I clearly prefer the sapphire "versions."

I switched out the discs (Pt. 1) and compared scene 5 on both. The posters here are probably right, but I def. prefer the standalone sapphire version. Odd, isn't it?
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I think the only proper test would be to run both movies through two identical players using a switcher.

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It's likely that the sapphire releases and the boxset BR discs are identical, but I clearly prefer the sapphire "versions."

I switched out the discs (Pt. 1) and compared scene 5 on both. The posters here are probably right, but I def. prefer the standalone sapphire version. Odd, isn't it?

The only way to test is to run each disc through BDInfo or even just compare the size and authoring dates with a computer. I would bet the farm they are the same discs through and through.

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Patsfan is correct, I am pretty sure there the same disc, a scan will confirm.
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Is the disc art/part number printed on the discs the same?
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The disk art is identical.
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The disk art is identical.

Part number?
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Where is the part number?
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