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Thanks for the post. I haven't watched it yet, but this seems to be a clear and welcomed improvement.
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New Blu-ray is better but the old blu-ray actually doesn't look that bad - not sure if it's worth the upgrade if you're already happy with the existing Blu....
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Spectacular.

Dillon: My men were in that chopper when it got hit! Hopper's orders were to go in and remove grain and the detail just disappeared.
Dutch: It didn't disappear. It was scrubbed alive!
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Spectacular.

Except in the second last shot - there is a severe loss of detail in the background in the new Blu-ray, almost looks too washed out, what happened there?
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Except in the second last shot - there is a severe loss of detail in the background in the new Blu-ray, almost looks too washed out, what happened there?

I see this quite a bit on newer transfers, where the dynamic range of the highlights is compressed, my guess is that the colorists attempt to emulate the tonal response of a film print, which has a soft "shoulder" at the extremes of its latitude rather than the hard clipping you see on many older transfers.
The new transfer looks really nice given the film's visual style IMO.
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Didnt even know this was released. Just ordered it.
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That does look really, really good. Such a shame Universal keep their heads buried in the sand while others are producing work of this quality.
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I see this quite a bit on newer transfers, where the dynamic range of the highlights is compressed, my guess is that the colorists attempt to emulate the tonal response of a film print, which has a soft "shoulder" at the extremes of its latitude rather than the hard clipping you see on many older transfers.

It's worth bearing in mind that that shot is an optical, and Stone may have wanted to offset the printed-in buildup of contrast and grain (which is obvious in the old transfer).
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So this and FC how many more are in this series?
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So this and FC how many more are in this series?

- The Brothers McMullen from Edward Burns
- She's the One from Edward Burns

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- The Brothers McMullen from Edward Burns
- She's the One from Edward Burns

Oh, really? odd choices I would have thought Die Hard and predator would have got the well deserved remaster treatment
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New Blu-ray is better but the old blu-ray actually doesn't look that bad - not sure if it's worth the upgrade if you're already happy with the existing Blu....

It's a nice improvement, but I gotta agree with this. The old disc wasn't bad at all, a ton of discs could have used a new transfer much more than this.
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I won't be upgrading, but it is nice that the all these releases are improvements on prior editions.

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If its a modern new scan and not just a retransfer/tweek job then its not fantastic
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Oh, really? odd choices I would have thought Die Hard and predator would have got the well deserved remaster treatment

We can only hope those are to come.

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Die Hard looks fine to me, always has done. There are some other key titles which need redoing before anyone even thinks of going near Die Hard again.
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Die Hard looks fine to me, always has done. There are some other key titles which need redoing before anyone even thinks of going near Die Hard again.

Old low detail scan, barely any detail over 720p.
A new state of the art scan like they used on sound of music would be like a whole new movie
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Die Hard looks fine to me, always has done. There are some other key titles which need redoing before anyone even thinks of going near Die Hard again.

Agree, not sure where this notion that Die Hard is a poor transfer comes from other than being an early Blu-ray release, it's a very solid transfer.
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Old low detail scan, barely any detail over 720p.
A new state of the art scan like they used on sound of music would be like a whole new movie

You can't really compare a 70mm production to 1980s anamorphic 35mm shot almost entirely in low light. They're completely different animals.
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You can't really compare a 70mm production to 1980s anamorphic 35mm shot almost entirely in low light. They're completely different animals.

When did I? I said the same techniques used for sound of music i.e. a state of the art transfer would make it look like a new movie.
Never did I say it would look like sound of music, but I know someone with a blow up and trust me it looks nothing like the Blu-ray it looks amazing.
And don't forget that master is way older than Blu-ray, its the same master used for the DVD and DVHS.
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Great improvement, just look at Gekkos shirt and suspenders great grain structure and color and detail improvement. Universal should take a look at this.

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Die Hard looks fine to me, always has done. There are some other key titles which need redoing before anyone even thinks of going near Die Hard again.

The Die Hard movies are slathered in Vaseline-like DNR. Not as bad as the Predator "re-master," but still bothersome.

They all need new masters. Preferably at 6k from original elements and fully restored without the EE and DNR and contrast pumping dials touched!

The studios need to be smart and consider the new 4k discs and displays the manufacturers are itching to release.

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!
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I don't know about the other ones but Die Hard 1 is absolutely not "slathered in DNR".
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The Die Hard movies are slathered in Vaseline-like DNR. Not as bad as the Predator "re-master," but still bothersome.

They all need new masters. Preferably at 6k from original elements and fully restored without the EE and DNR and contrast pumping dials touched!

The studios need to be smart and consider the new 4k discs and displays the manufacturers are itching to release.

They really are not, they are old and outdated tho
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The Die Hard movies are slathered in Vaseline-like DNR. Not as bad as the Predator "re-master," but still bothersome.

That is simply not true at all. The Die Hard transfers are taken from older masters but have very little if any filtering applied to them. It's not right to compare them to the Predator Ultimate Hunter Edition.
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That is simply not true at all. The Die Hard transfers are taken from older masters but have very little if any filtering applied to them. It's not right to compare them to the Predator Ultimate Hunter Edition.

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The 6th cap shows the biggest detail increase, the rest are a little increase detail wise but with nicer grain texture. I was afraid at first there was sharpening done (like Universal would do) but I could find no telltale sign of that thank goodness. I hate washed out looking films so the different contrast is to my liking.

One minor quibble, the new transfer caps are 1088 pixels and the older is 1080.
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That is simply not true at all. The Die Hard transfers are taken from older masters but have very little if any filtering applied to them. It's not right to compare them to the Predator Ultimate Hunter Edition.

No way in hell are they comparable to that POS. The Die Hard 1 + 2 transfers are soft-ish, but I'd expect no less from late-'80s anamorphic shows given respectable mid-noughties transfers. Slathered in DNR? Bollocks.
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When did I? I said the same techniques used for sound of music i.e. a state of the art transfer would make it look like a new movie.
Never did I say it would look like sound of music, but I know someone with a blow up and trust me it looks nothing like the Blu-ray it looks amazing.
And don't forget that master is way older than Blu-ray, its the same master used for the DVD and DVHS.

Being dated doesn't necessarily make it bad. I must have watched a different disc because I found the Die Hard blu-ray to have well-defined grain and solid detail, when photography permits. Which is not always, since a lot of the movie is shot with shallow focus, where lenses aren't very sharp, anamorphic ones moreso. It's easily on par with newer transfers from second-generation film elements IMO, like Fright Night or whatever. A new 4K scan from camera negatives would certainly be nice but I can't see it giving you very much more than crisper grain and more refined digital color grading. Kind of like what you see with Wall Street.
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