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post #91 of 185 Old 06-19-2012, 02:08 PM
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Not seeing this movie release at any of my local stores. Checked Best Buy,Walmart, and Target.rolleyes.gif
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Not seeing this movie release at any of my local stores. Checked Best Buy,Walmart, and Target.rolleyes.gif

Because it sounds like it was pushed back.
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I was reading a story at High Def Disc News that stated the release of Blade and Blade Trinity was moved to 7/10/12 to accompany the release of Blade II. Amazon price is currently $13.99, it also shows a release date of 7/10/12 in the description. How can we tell if it is not a crappy version?

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Because it sounds like it was pushed back.
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Maybe they will do it justice with better video....

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Heheh. With a one month delay, I'm sure it's not going to be for them to do anything with the video. wink.gif Sounds more like they wanted Blade and Trinity to release with Blade 2 which was coming out at the later date.

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FYE has these for $9.99 with $5 TDKR movie cash. Also, I believe Fry's has them for $7.99. Some Wal-Mart's have both the first and third for $9.96, but definitely Blade: Trinity at just about all of them.
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Heheh. With a one month delay, I'm sure it's not going to be for them to do anything with the video. wink.gif Sounds more like they wanted Blade and Trinity to release with Blade 2 which was coming out at the later date.
OK, you're probably right....frown.gif

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Because it sounds like it was pushed back.

Nah many store have it as many posted in forums. Walmarts, Best Buys, online shops so it's probably just a **** up on Warners side.
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The 6.1 track on "Blade" isn't really a remix, The new rear surround channel were just sounds that were in phase in the left and right surround channels on the original 5.1 track.
It's just the original mix forced through Surround EX before final encoding.

Though it is strange that Blade changes its original 5.1 -> 6.1 while Blade II changes its original 6.1 -> 5.1 and/or 7.1 ?
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Blade II was given a proper discrete 6.1 remix by Mi Casa, so yeah it's odd that the BD appears to have lossless tracks for 5.1 and 7.1. I wonder if it's a theatrical audio / remixed audio type deal, or perhaps they had concerns about the downmixing of the 7.1 track for 5.1 playback.
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It might be that it is a 7.1 track with a mono rear surround. I could be wrong but I thought I remember that TrueHD and DTS-MA don't fully support a native 6.1 audio (but instead 5/7.1). I could be wrong though but for some reason that makes sense now. tongue.gif

Actually....it doesn't make much sense now if Blade is in 6.1 redface.gif Oyeee

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I don't care if it makes sense, the 6.1 audio sounds great! biggrin.gif
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
00032.MPLS                                                      AVC     1:56:52 31,322,210,304  45,844,141,149  35.73   20.05   DTS-HD Master 5.1 4150Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DTS-HD Master 7.1 5809Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
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DISC INFO:

Disc Title:     BLADE II
Disc Size:      45,844,141,149 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:

Name:                   00032.MPLS
Length:                 1:56:52.463 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   31,322,210,304 bytes
Total Bitrate:          35.73 Mbps

(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:

Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        20047 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4150 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4150 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         5809 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz / 5809 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
Dolby Digital Audio             German          448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Spanish         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Portuguese      192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             Czech           448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Hungarian       448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             Russian         448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
* Dolby Digital Audio           Japanese        448 kbps        5.1 / 48 kHz / 448 kbps / DN -4dB
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround
Dolby Digital Audio             English         192 kbps        2.0 / 48 kHz / 192 kbps / DN -4dB / Dolby Surround

SUBTITLES:

Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        10.787 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           English         16.675 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        37.236 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        38.281 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        31.838 kbps                     
* Presentation Graphics         Japanese        0.069 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           German          19.983 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Spanish         13.868 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Portuguese      14.927 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Czech           13.047 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Hungarian       13.438 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           Russian         15.298 kbps                     
Presentation Graphics           German          1.537 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Czech           0.775 kbps                      
Presentation Graphics           Hungarian       0.888 kbps                      

FILES:

Name            Time In         Length          Size            Total Bitrate   
----            -------         ------          ----            -------------   
00013.M2TS      0:00:00.000     1:56:52.463     31,322,210,304  35,733          

CHAPTERS:

Number          Time In         Length          Avg Video Rate  Max 1-Sec Rate  Max 1-Sec Time  Max 5-Sec Rate  Max 5-Sec Time  Max 10Sec Rate  Max 10Sec Time  Avg Frame Size  Max Frame Size  Max Frame Time  
------          -------         ------          --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  --------------  
1               0:00:00.000     1:23:06.314     20,312 kbps     46,843 kbps     00:04:16.255    29,735 kbps     01:18:15.607    29,335 kbps     00:04:35.566    105,895 bytes   777,221 bytes   00:05:02.969    
2               1:23:06.314     0:33:46.149     19,395 kbps     39,450 kbps     01:34:15.816    28,592 kbps     01:34:11.979    26,709 kbps     01:34:21.822    101,120 bytes   756,851 bytes   01:34:35.503    

STREAM DIAGNOSTICS:

File            PID             Type            Codec           Language                Seconds                 Bitrate                 Bytes           Packets         
----            ---             ----            -----           --------                --------------          --------------          -------------   -----           
00013.M2TS      4113 (0x1011)   0x1B            AVC                                     7012.380                20,047                  17,572,168,987  95,600,091      
00013.M2TS      4352 (0x1100)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           7012.380                4,150                   3,638,028,376   20,864,538      
00013.M2TS      4353 (0x1101)   0x86            DTS-HD MA       eng (English)           7012.380                5,809                   5,091,956,068   28,765,420      
00013.M2TS      4354 (0x1102)   0x81            AC3             deu (German)            7012.380                448                     392,752,640     2,191,700       
00013.M2TS      4355 (0x1103)   0x81            AC3             spa (Spanish)           7012.380                192                     168,322,560     1,095,850       
00013.M2TS      4356 (0x1104)   0x81            AC3             por (Portuguese)        7012.380                192                     168,322,560     1,095,850       
00013.M2TS      4357 (0x1105)   0x81            AC3             ces (Czech)             7012.380                448                     392,752,640     2,191,700       
00013.M2TS      4358 (0x1106)   0x81            AC3             hun (Hungarian)         7012.380                448                     392,752,640     2,191,700       
00013.M2TS      4359 (0x1107)   0x81            AC3             rus (Russian)           7012.380                448                     392,752,640     2,191,700       
00013.M2TS      4360 (0x1108)   0x81            AC3             jpn (Japanese)          7012.380                448                     392,752,640     2,191,700       
00013.M2TS      4361 (0x1109)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7012.380                192                     168,322,560     1,095,850       
00013.M2TS      4362 (0x110A)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7012.380                192                     168,322,560     1,095,850       
00013.M2TS      4363 (0x110B)   0x81            AC3             eng (English)           7012.380                192                     168,322,560     1,095,850       
00013.M2TS      4608 (0x1200)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          7012.380                11                      9,455,310       55,863          
00013.M2TS      4609 (0x1201)   0x90            PGS             eng (English)           7012.380                17                      14,616,523      84,903          
00013.M2TS      4610 (0x1202)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          7012.380                37                      32,639,565      185,926         
00013.M2TS      4611 (0x1203)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          7012.380                38                      33,555,174      192,959         
00013.M2TS      4612 (0x1204)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          7012.380                32                      27,907,425      161,714         
00013.M2TS      4613 (0x1205)   0x90            PGS             jpn (Japanese)          7012.380                0                       60,227          409             
00013.M2TS      4614 (0x1206)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            7012.380                20                      17,515,973      100,860         
00013.M2TS      4615 (0x1207)   0x90            PGS             spa (Spanish)           7012.380                14                      12,155,955      71,011          
00013.M2TS      4616 (0x1208)   0x90            PGS             por (Portuguese)        7012.380                15                      13,084,586      76,068          
00013.M2TS      4617 (0x1209)   0x90            PGS             ces (Czech)             7012.380                13                      11,436,259      66,582          
00013.M2TS      4618 (0x120A)   0x90            PGS             hun (Hungarian)         7012.380                13                      11,778,885      68,589          
00013.M2TS      4619 (0x120B)   0x90            PGS             rus (Russian)           7012.380                15                      13,409,654      77,910          
00013.M2TS      4620 (0x120C)   0x90            PGS             deu (German)            7012.380                2                       1,347,506       7,699           
00013.M2TS      4621 (0x120D)   0x90            PGS             ces (Czech)             7012.380                1                       679,469         4,024           
00013.M2TS      4622 (0x120E)   0x90            PGS             hun (Hungarian)         7012.380                1                       778,185         4,598           

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Code:
DISC INFO:
Disc Title:     BLADE II
Disc Size:      45,844,141,149 bytes
Protection:     AACS
BD-Java:        Yes
BDInfo:         0.5.8

PLAYLIST REPORT:
Name:                   00032.MPLS
Length:                 1:56:52.463 (h:m:s.ms)
Size:                   31,322,210,304 bytes
Total Bitrate:          35.73 Mbps
(*) Indicates included stream hidden by this playlist.

VIDEO:
Codec                   Bitrate             Description     
-----                   -------             -----------     
MPEG-4 AVC Video        20047 kbps          1080p / 23.976 fps / 16:9 / High Profile 4.1

AUDIO:
Codec                           Language        Bitrate         Description     
-----                           --------        -------         -----------     
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         4150 kbps       5.1 / 48 kHz / 4150 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)
DTS-HD Master Audio             English         5809 kbps       7.1 / 48 kHz / 5809 kbps / 24-bit (DTS Core: 5.1 / 48 kHz / 1509 kbps / 24-bit)

With seperate 5.1 and 7.1 tracks it's clearly at the expense of the video bitrate.
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Maybe, but Blade still looks damn good on Blu.
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My local Best Buy finally got Blade and Blade: Trinity out on the shelves, and on sale. They're doing the push for TDKR with the Movie Cash offer, so the product is lumped in with other qualifying titles. Glad to see they finally got those in. Can't wait too much for the 10th to roll around so I can get Blade II and complete the set.

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With seperate 5.1 and 7.1 tracks it's clearly at the expense of the video bitrate.

Yeah but they had 4gb left to work with also frown.gif
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Yeah but they had 4gb left to work with also frown.gif

Space is not the first issue in this case, the limitation is the maximum bandwidth of Blu-ray (A/V total of 54 Mbps).
Average bitrate of all the tracks combined (video, audio and subtitles) is already around 35 Mbps.

During action scenes the peak bitrate of both the video and lossless audio tracks leaves no headroom.
With one lossless audio track you propably could have 4-5 Mbps more for the video.

Remember that the video and lossless audio are variable bitrate, so it can go very high or very low depending on the complexity of the material.

But this is all in theory, it can stil looks fantastic... wink.gif

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Yeah but they had 4gb left to work with also frown.gif

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Lol! smile.gif

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Remember we found out that the most popular AVC encoder sold to studios by default caps the bitrate stream below the maximum limits of the Blu-ray format, because older and out-of-date players were having problems playing them. The studios would rather handicap the video than have irate complaints from customers their discs do not play.
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What a shame. That's some good incentive to upgrade an old player.

Yeesshhh. Do you guys remember how long it toook just to boot up and open the tray for the old BD players? *shudders*

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Don't forget about the loading times on those older players. I still have a Sony BDP-S550 lying around, and that kept me waiting up to two minutes to load a disc and get to the menus. mad.gif

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Wow. Only two minutes? I believe I remember it taking a solid 5-10mins to make it to the menu on Pirates of the Caribbean 2 on my Sony BD300S. *shudders*

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Optical drives should be FAAAAST.
IMO, BD players are still too slow (either loading or navigating).

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Absolutely. Agreed 1,000%. They are made too cheap, maybe? Even "high-end" models from Oppo and the like are not catching my interest.

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Do these have special features on them? I have the canadian versions which barely has a menu..
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Do these have special features on them? I have the canadian versions which barely has a menu..
Put that weak-assed **** in the bin. wink.gif
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Absolutely. Agreed 1,000%. They are made too cheap, maybe? Even "high-end" models from Oppo and the like are not catching my interest.
I have had 3 Panasonics and now primarily use the Oppo 95 and 83.
Although fine players that they are, neither is fast enough for me.

To be fair, most of the speed issues are part and parcel to the format and copy protection schemes used by the studios.

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post #119 of 185 Old 07-03-2012, 12:38 PM
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Put that weak-assed **** in the bin. wink.gif

That's exactly what I'll be doing with my Canuck BD of Blade II. It's not a bad disc but no-one in their right mind would buy it over the new version, and because it's region locked, most of the people who would be stupid enough to buy it couldn't play it anyway!

I think I'll have to do the same with my sealed copy of Final Destination 2, now that I've picked up 1-4 on UK Blu-ray for all of £9.
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Optical drives should be FAAAAST.
IMO, BD players are still too slow (either loading or navigating).

Disable the online crap if you can and it loads butter on a hot biscuit.
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