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post #181 of 547 Old 07-11-2012, 06:37 PM
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I don't judge a transfer by one screenshot from one scene. Which conveniently happens to be the worst looking screenshot you can find. Ridiculous.

You said it, a great transfer should not even have that frame in it, let alone a whole scene.
That is a bit extreme and why some totally disregard the commentary from this site. Total Recall had a number of FX shots that might look a bit odd, even on a beautiful transfer. I'm not saying it's one or the other until I can see the disc myself. You knew they were going to tinker with the color timing for a new transfer, how many haven't on the double-dip?
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To my eyes, that transfer looks pretty amazing. If it captures the grain structure without the grain appearing smeared or undefined (which it does), then that's all the detail there was to be had. The driver in that shot is wearing makeup and maybe a prosthetic mask. Look at Arnold's clothing and the amount of fine texture detail there.
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The driver in that shot is wearing makeup and maybe a prosthetic mask.
"The Driver" (aka Johnny Cab) is an animatronic puppet voiced by Robert Picardo.
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You said it, a great transfer should not even have that frame in it, let alone a whole scene.
....riiiiiiight. There couldn't possibly be a reason it looks like that when the rest of the transfer doesn't.
Here you have it folks, I present incontrovertible proof that River Kwai is a lousy transfer: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3849/largebridgeriverkwaiblu.jpg (Though the rest of the movie still looks pretty brown and faded... not the example I'd use when talking color)
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....riiiiiiight. There couldn't possibly be a reason it looks like that when the rest of the transfer doesn't.
Here you have it folks, I present incontrovertible proof that River Kwai is a lousy transfer: http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/3849/largebridgeriverkwaiblu.jpg (Though the rest of the movie still looks pretty brown and faded... not the example I'd use when talking color)

That shot was not digitally ruined, Recall was.

Simple

Your shot has no option to look that way, the recall one was ruined on purpose
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That shot was not digitally ruined, Recall was.
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Your shot has no option to look that way, the recall one was ruined on purpose
You do realize color grading's function is not necessarily to make something bright and neutral toned? That a shot could be dark to set whatever time/place/mood/look Verhoeven was going for while he was supervising the transfer? Until I see the disc and the scene in context, I'll defer to his judgement rather than the AVS hyperbole brigade flipping between screenshots.

While we're at it, can I bitch about the day-for-night shots in Kwai? They look bloody awful, all dark and blue and stuff mad.gif http://images3.static-bluray.com/reviews/3457_11_1080p.jpg . What happened to the glory days of telecine techs making everything nice and bright regardless of whether it was supposed to be rolleyes.gif
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You do realize color grading's function is not necessarily to make something bright and neutral toned? That a shot could be dark to set whatever time/place/mood/look Verhoeven was going for while he was supervising the transfer? Until I see the disc and the scene in context, I'll defer to his judgement rather than the AVS hyperbole brigade flipping between screenshots.
While we're at it, can I bitch about the day-for-night shots in Kwai? They look bloody awful, all dark and blue and stuff mad.gif http://images3.static-bluray.com/reviews/3457_11_1080p.jpg . What happened to the glory days of telecine techs making everything nice and bright regardless of whether it was supposed to be rolleyes.gif

Done at the time chemically >>>>>> done by the tea boy on a break in photoshop

Plus there is nothing wrong with that show you posted it looks beautiful
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Plus there is nothing wrong with that show you posted it looks beautiful
How nice that you can have it both ways.
Well, I think the Total Recall shots look beautiful, and the River Kwai ones look lousy. QED; Sony's transfer is a botch job.
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How nice that you can have it both ways.
Well, I think the Total Recall shots look beautiful, and the River Kwai ones look lousy. QED; Sony's transfer is a botch job.




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You have no idea how digital colour timing works, but I am glad I got to christen the Bock list
By all means, enlighten me!
River Kwai doesn't meet my completely arbitrary standard of what the color grading should be in a couple of frames, clearly the transfer is half-assed rubbish. Problem? I'm only using your loony logic here tongue.gif
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Total Recall, after a 2K scan of the OCN, a director supervised color correction session, till this day doesn't look pristine and modern. The rough and gritty texture is ever present — some of the screen grabs and the You Tube trailer of the UK release still exhibit aspects of the flatness and milky blacks of the original photography. For better or worse this is the hero master for now on — whenever they get around to re-doing it from scratch again at 4K they'll make use of the director's last known approved transfer. tongue.gif
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Done at the time chemically >>>>>> done by the tea boy on a break in photoshop.

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You have no idea how digital colour timing works.

Photoshop? biggrin.gif
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Pop quiz hot shots...I own the original US release. The new Total Rekall version goes on sale here in Ireland tomorrow morning. I can also get the UK version....so which version should I get?...confused.gif
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By all means, enlighten me!
River Kwai doesn't meet my completely arbitrary standard of what the color grading should be in a couple of frames, clearly the transfer is half-assed rubbish. Problem? I'm only using your loony logic here tongue.gif

You realize that you're just spitting in the wind here, right? Consider who you're responding to and whether it's really worth your time.

I'm pretty sure that dvdmike has never actually watched a Blu-ray. He just looks at screencaps and screams about them on the internet.

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UK 'Ultimate Rekall Edition'.450
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You realize that you're just spitting in the wind here, right? Consider who you're responding to and whether it's really worth your time.
I'm pretty sure that dvdmike has never actually watched a Blu-ray. He just looks at screencaps and screams about them on the internet.

Yep, I just buy them cuz I hate empty shelves http://c.mymovies.dk/dvdmike

You can scream in text? amazing must learn that one and if spitting in the wind is was an Olympic sport you would have your own pool full
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Wow some pretty big changes. I might have to see the whole thing to really know whether I like it. I will always have the SC version, which really isn't that bad.
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You can scream in text?
YES!!!!

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LOOKS like it's not a huge, or barley marginal improvement over the UK version. I will eventually buy, but those screenshots (even if the color is right) don't entice me. With super 35, grain is EVERYWHERE, so i'll skip for now.......for now wink.gif

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UK disc review here...
http://www.dvdactive.com/reviews/dvd/total-recall-ultimate-rekall-edition.html
The more I see and read about this disc, the happier I am that I preordered it.
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LOOKS like it's not a huge, or barley marginal improvement over the UK version. I will eventually buy, but those screenshots (even if the color is right) don't entice me. With super 35, grain is EVERYWHERE, so i'll skip for now.......for now wink.gif
Total Recall isn't a Super 35. TR is a multiple generational patchwork of sources due to traditional optical / composite special photographic visual effects.
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The restoration featurette on the UK disc, is a complete hoot.
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The restoration featurette on the UK disc, is a complete hoot.

Why?
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Imagine a 'before' image, that is essentially the same image, with the brightness altered to make it look washed out,(no print damage or anything like that). A bar wipes across the screen and you get the 'after' screen, where I suppose you're meant to go "OMG, IT LOOKS AMAZING!"

I'm daft, but I'm not stupid.

The new Verhoeven interview is also a hoot. For the right reasons. Bless him.
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So raoul duke,
Is this worth a re-buy after you have seen this? Is it a significant upgrade to the original UK version?

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Imagine a 'before' image, that is essentially the same image, with the brightness altered to make it look washed out,(no print damage or anything like that). A bar wipes across the screen and you get the 'after' screen, where I suppose you're meant to go "OMG, IT LOOKS AMAZING!"
I'm daft, but I'm not stupid.
The new Verhoeven interview is also a hoot. For the right reasons. Bless him.
Except the problem with the previous releases is that they all *are* washed out. The new image doesn't look overly contrasty with crushed blacks and blown out white, it looks *right*. The problem seems to be that they had to go ahead and mess with the colors while they were at it.
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So raoul duke,
Is this worth a re-buy after you have seen this? Is it a significant upgrade to the original UK version?
Yeah, it looks like film for once, as opposed to processed video. Could have done without the odd bit of black crush, but the good far outweighs the bad.

This is the first time I haven't seen the salesman in Rekall's jacket, turn into a shimmering mess. Throw that old crap in the bin.
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Except the problem with the previous releases is that they all *are* washed out. The new image doesn't look overly contrasty with crushed blacks and blown out white, it looks *right*. The problem seems to be that they had to go ahead and mess with the colors while they were at it.
If anyone thinks Total Recall ever looked like the before image, they're an idiot.

You know when you bring your TV contrast down to the point where the picture goes a kind of a grey colour? Or push the brightness, while dropping the contrast?

There ya go.
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