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post #121 of 150 Old 12-07-2012, 01:28 PM
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I never got around to buying the 2007 set so I picked this one up at Target the other day (had a gift card). Man, it took me several nights just to watch all the extras! It's also cool to have the work print, although I'm probably mostly going to watch the Final Cut version.

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Work print blade runner is best blade runner
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Work print blade runner is best blade runner

Assuming you're being serious, why do you think its the best?

Its actually the only version I have yet to watch.

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It was his original, non focus tester meddled, or 20 years later revisionist version.
It's blade runner in is purest distilled form.
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It was his original, non focus tester meddled, or 20 years later revisionist version.
It's blade runner in is purest distilled form.

I have whiplash from the bent logic.

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Yeah, if it's an early cut then it's more of a raw, untried version. Is it purer? Maybe. But distilled? Absolutely not. And moaning about the "revisionist" Final Cut which actually includes a fair few beats from the workprint ("father", girls in hockey masks etc) seems churlish.

Thank Christ we were given the choice of all these cuts on home video. It really was a dream come true.
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Thank Christ we were given the choice of all these cuts on home video. It really was a dream come true.

Yeah too bad some other movie makers, like the one with the name George Lucas, can't take a page out of Ridley Scott's book and do the same.

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Yeah, if it's an early cut then it's more of a raw, untried version. Is it purer? Maybe. But distilled? Absolutely not. And moaning about the "revisionist" Final Cut which actually includes a fair few beats from the workprint ("father", girls in hockey masks etc) seems churlish.
Thank Christ we were given the choice of all these cuts on home video. It really was a dream come true.

It was revised and called final, and is not revisionist?
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It was revised and called final, and is not revisionist?
Right...

Whatever gets you through the night.

Meanwhile, as far as the workprint goes, you do realize, I trust, that workprints are called workprints because they are not finished- it's a way of indicating that there will be a finalized version later, but that this one is not it. So, you can draw the line where ever you like about any editing decision being "revisionism" versus being "a revision" original to the post-production process (which is just a giant series of revisions), but the workprint is the only version that specifically tells you, "this is not what is intended".

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This is all I really need to know. It's Ridley Scott's film and the only version of his film that I will watch is the version that is truly his own.

Regarding the final cut version:
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This is the only version over which Ridley Scott had complete artistic control, as he was not directly in charge of the Director's Cut.
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Whatever gets you through the night.
Meanwhile, as far as the workprint goes, you do realize, I trust, that workprints are called workprints because they are not finished- it's a way of indicating that there will be a finalized version later, but that this one is not it. So, you can draw the line where ever you like about any editing decision being "revisionism" versus being "a revision" original to the post-production process (which is just a giant series of revisions), but the workprint is the only version that specifically tells you, "this is not what is intended".

The correct definition of revisionist gets me through every night thanks and I sleep soundly.
I have read the making of Blade Runner and I know what the workprint is was and will always be thanks.
And Once again stating a choice gets the bullsh#t teams out trying to tell you that your personal choice is wrong, grow up.

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And Once again stating a choice gets the bullsh#t teams out trying to tell you that your personal choice is wrong, grow up.

No, I'm not calling your choice wrong; I'm calling your description of that choice inaccurate.

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The FC is far and away the best version. The narration in the others is embarrassing. I bought the re-release, but the FC is all you will ever need.
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No, I'm not calling your choice wrong; I'm calling your description of that choice inaccurate.

How so? the workprint was his final cut before the tests changed it, that would be the reason the Final cut has the same beats in places.
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How so? the workprint was his final cut before the tests changed it, that would be the reason the Final cut has the same beats in places.

That would be the tests that he was fully on-board with and used as a tool for the very purpose of... changing the cut.

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That would be the tests that he was fully on-board with and used as a tool for the very purpose of... changing the cut.


Only to change it back because he disliked the changes, seriously someone with a Blade Runner avatar should know a lot more about blade runner.
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Only to change it back because he disliked the changes, seriously someone with a Blade Runner avatar should know a lot more about blade runner.

I'll pretend that I didn't hear that challenge to my Blade Runner knowledge.

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why the **** would you not release this in the highest bitrate possible is beyond all comprehension

They just wanted to be able to use the same compression pass for Blu-ray and HD DVD. As with other aspects of this release, they went cheap at the last hurdle.

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I see that but it would not have taken much more effort to do something nice for this one. Oh well. I rent a lot of stuff these days.
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I see that but it would not have taken much more effort to do something nice for this one.

Indeed. The set is great, but it would be very easy and inexpensive to make it even better.

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The FC is far and away the best version. The narration in the others is embarrassing. I bought the re-release, but the FC is all you will ever need.

Some people prefer Deckard's narration in the theatrical edition, apart from the narration after Roy's death which really spoils the moment. I am one of them. I feel it plays well with the noir style of the film.

Also, the Final Cut has certain scenes with horrible black crush in them that the other versions do not.

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Condescending remarks removed.

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Some people prefer Deckard's narration in the theatrical edition, apart from the narration after Roy's death which really spoils the moment. I am one of them. I feel it plays well with the noir style of the film.
Also, the Final Cut has certain scenes with horrible black crush in them that the other versions do not.

The narration could have been a fantastic element. the way it's actually used is one of those epic SMH moments in the history of American film.
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They just wanted to be able to use the same compression pass for Blu-ray and HD DVD. As with other aspects of this release, they went cheap at the last hurdle.
"They went cheap... " only with the video, audio, & features. rolleyes.gif
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From the posts I've read, it seems this is equal in AQ/VQ for the films too the previous release, correct?
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Dude,
How many 50GB discs were released in '07???

It can't be denied that at least some blus were released on SL 25gb because of HD-DVD's DL capacity limits. To max out blu's 50gb and hddvd's 30, you would need separate encodes. If you wanted a single encode for both formats, you'd have to limit yourself to 30gb of space for both (or 25gb to avoid a second blu layer that only got you 5gb more encode space).

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It can't be denied that at least some blus were released on SL 25gb because of HD-DVD's DL capacity limits. To max out blu's 50gb and hddvd's 30, you would need separate encodes. If you wanted a single encode for both formats, you'd have to limit yourself to 30gb of space for both (or 25gb to avoid a second blu layer that only got you 5gb more encode space).

IIRC Warners did do separate MPEG2 and VC1 encodes for some titles (Training Day?), only they kept the BD version at a single layer anyway. Still, I'll never buy into the 'BD50s were rare as hen's teeth' party line, as Warners have proved time and again how astonishingly tight fisted they are. They can commission as many extra features as they like and run the sound through a DTS-HD encoder, but sticking with the same aged video encodes is cheapness, pure and simple.
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It was not just Warner with the 50's the yield rates were pants and that made them super expensive
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From the posts I've read, it seems this is equal in AQ/VQ for the films too the previous release, correct?
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Anyone???

Yes, with the exception of the workprint, which has lossless audio in this release and previously did not.

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Yes, with the exception of the workprint, which has lossless audio in this release and previously did not.
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Of coarse I've read reviews... it's just better too hear it here!!

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