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Just put him on ignore. He's not going to be punished at all for his posting behavior and responding to him just keeps him talking.

And talking about him, giving him the same relative attention which can only feed his continuement, is also a stellar move on your part!

I'm obviously above such a mistak......wait...

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Apologies, and I'll add to the minorly more relevant conversation. Cameron approved this disc. Cameron wanted more in-line with Terminator 2, just like the audio choices years ago. He is fixing the previous faults with his creation and its representation on a format. My opinion merely, but look at the evidence, and what is said from inside. Bottom line. His art, his choices.
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His art, his choices.

Semi George Lucas.
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Cameron did not approve this release. He had nothing to do with it (the actual Blu-Ray release itself and what goes on it) and anyone here can email some people who'd know simply by using Google for their contract information. Ask nicely and promise to keep it confidential and you will likely get a response.

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Cameron did not approve this release. He had nothing to do with it (the actual Blu-Ray release itself and what goes on it) and anyone here can email some people who'd know simply by using Google for their contract information. Ask nicely and promise to keep it confidential and you will likely get a response.

Yeah, but... but... facepalm... right?

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I think Cameron did approve this release as it was postponed by citing this as the reason.

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Complete lunacy. Cameron, like Spielberg and Lucas, is responsible 100% and every step of the way, for each and every one of his releases.
Unlike you, I have taken the time to do a little research. Including talking to some people who would know. Perhaps you should do the same because you are 100% ignorant of the facts and just making this all up as you go along.

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He might have approved the new DI... but not necessarily this particular home video release.
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Unlike you, I have taken the time to do a little research. Including talking to some people who would know. Perhaps you should do the same because you are 100% ignorant of the facts and just making this all up as you go along.

Without naming names can you share this research with us?
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Err.. I wrote with us. That person's involvement with Cameron has been stated by himself several times. I have no idea why that needs to be a secret.
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Complete lunacy. Cameron, like Spielberg and Lucas, is responsible 100% and every step of the way, for each and every one of his releases.

Interesting how you demand proof of other people's claims but can supply none for your own.

If Cameron were 100% responsible for each and every one of his video releases, then he has a lot of explaining to do about the crappy DVD editions of The Abyss and True Lies, the crappy first Blu-ray release of The Terminator, and both of the crappy Blu-ray releases of Terminator 2.
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The original Terminator and Terminator 2 blu-rays were good for their time? There was no technology existing now that allows results not possible in 2006.
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agreed, but the Skynet edition of T2 is horrendous

T2 needs a remaster done with little to NO tinkering of colors

perfect blue tint in T2
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I guess I'm a fortunate individual who does not have a massively large TV or projection screen to view the films on. smile.gif I just have a 42" LCD 1080p TV connected to my Denon 1513 AVR which is connected to my speakers and my PS3 for Blu-Ray viewing. So unless there is a really massive issue with a Blu-Ray, I really can't see a great deal of it due to my, compared to many of you folks', large screens. I picked up the Terminator/T2 blu-rays a while back when I saw it in a bin at Target for about $10 total. On my system, the film looked fine to me. (As do the BttF Blu-Rays which I had heard are not of the highest quality).

With the new transfer for the UK disc, I went on the PS3 and took a look at the comparison photos that have been posted all over this thread and was quite stunned by how much "crisper" the new transfer is. Still, on a system of my size the blu-rays that I have are still acceptable for watching a movie when I just want to watch one. Am a proponent of getting the best possible picture/audio quality out there? Yes. I am also a VERY strong proponent of ensuring that original audio tracks are included in a release on Blu-Ray. As I mentioned in the Indiana Jones Trilogy thread, movies are a form of art and how they were originally presented in the theaters should be preserved in order to preserve that art.

While the director/producer/etc. own the films in the legal sense of it, once they are displayed publicly and introduced into society, society then "owns" the movie in the general sense of the term. ANY type of modifications to that movie which permanently remove the original audio/video are akin to doing things such as straightening the Leaning Tower of Pisa, or adding a tan to the Mona Lisa, or knocking down the Pyramids in Egypt and re-building them with modern materials. As long as the original film is preserved, a director/producer/studio/etc. can do whatever the hell they want with them as long as the originals are still available for the general public who now "owns" that work of art.

I like the Star Wars films. I'm not too fond of what Lucas did with all his changes and refusing to release the original, un-altered films, but I'm not going crazy about it and still purchased the Blu-Rays so that I could at least watch the movies. I picked up the Fellowship of the Ring extended edition, and while a lot of people talk about the massive color shift in that movie, it doesn't really negatively impact me. I also picked up the James Bond 50 set a few weeks ago and notice some issues in those films, but nothing that makes me feel like publicly arguing about it.

To sum it up, from what I have seen the new transfer for The Terminator is far cleaner and crisper than the Blu-Ray I currently own. The coloring, however, has definitely been touched. Though some here have tried arguing that Cameron gave his approval on this and therefore that's exactly what he wants, I do have a counterpoint to that. The counterpoint is $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. The number one priority of studios is to make money. Preservation of the audio/video is reduced if it will cost them more money. There's a possibility that Cameron didn't really like the audio/video 100% but was told by the studio that if he didn't approve this so they could release the movie by x-date that he wouldn't get nearly as much money. In society today, money talks.
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Watched the UK disc and am happy with it except for some shots where too much grain was taken out for my taste.
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Why were they crapy? They were as good as anything else at that time.

No, they weren't. Every one of those discs was below the standard of other titles at the time of its release. That you're ignorant of that fact is just more evidence that you have no idea what you're talking about.

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I just thought about the risk of all the blue in Terminator 2 turning teal...
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It is you who's showing that ignorance. What you fail to understand is that some of those masters are significantly older than their release dates for DVD and Blu-ray. You have to judge them during the period that the master was signed off on and they were all state of the art in their time.

Transfers signed off on by James Cameron, the perfectionist, right?
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Transfers signed off on by James Cameron, the perfectionist, right?

With colors that did not perfectly reflect his intended color timing, which the remaster now accurately replicates. No Less!

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Why do people always think that every release should be color graded the same? Maybe Cameron liked the pink for his VHS/LD releases and now he likes teal for his Blus.

This explains a fair bit.

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I just thought about the risk of all the blue in Terminator 2 turning teal...

You can count on it. Cameron no longer likes the color blue.

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Cameron no longer likes the color blue.

I'm holding out for the re-release of Avatar with teal kitties.

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It is you who's showing that ignorance. What you fail to understand is that some of those masters are significantly older than their release dates for DVD and Blu-ray. You have to judge them during the period that the master was signed off on and they were all state of the art in their time.

So, what you're saying is the the perfectionist James Cameron, who allegedly has 100% total control over every video release of all of his movies (still waiting for citation on that claim, by the way), signed off on letting those discs go out the door with antiquated video transfers that were far below the standard of the day? This is what you're saying? And you think this is a good thing?

You're embarrassing yourself here. It would really be in your best interest to stop speaking about things that you know nothing about.
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I'm holding out for the re-release of Avatar with teal kitties.

They're already teal. They have been since the theatrical release.


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The original Terminator and Terminator 2 blu-rays were good for their time? There was no technology existing now that allows results not possible in 2006.

I would have to disgree with you there. For one thing you are assuming they were done in 2006, more likely earlier by quite a few years. Also I am pretty sure current scanners are much better then the pre-2006 ones, although I know little about such equipment.
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I just thought about the risk of all the blue in Terminator 2 turning teal...

If Cameron is involved in a new transfer, teal will certainly be added. That's his trademark now.
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Surprising that people are posting without even watching the disc. Just buy it guys. It is easily the best looking version of Terminator available on home video. There is some noise and minor filtering with digital grain on some shots but it still looks very good.

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My second run is processing, less pink less contrast a more neutral yellow pink mix with little teal.
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I would have to disgree with you there. For one thing you are assuming they were done in 2006, more likely earlier by quite a few years. Also I am pretty sure current scanners are much better then the pre-2006 ones, although I know little about such equipment.
If Cameron is involved in a new transfer, teal will certainly be added. That's his trademark now.
I know they were done before 2006, that much is obvious. What I'm saying is that there's no trace of Cameron's supposed perfectionism on those releases. If he really was meticulously obsessive with every home release of his films, those transfers would never have seen the light of day on BD, let alone go through several reissues. Maybe those HD video masters were state-of-the-art around the turn of the century, but by the time the blu-rays came out, the DI process was the norm, the high-end DIs could look as good as anything new (I Robot or King Kong for instance), and creating a new 4K DI from the negative would have been very possible if anyone cared enough to do so.

As an aside, I think the Northlight, Spirit 4K, and Arriscan machines all came out between 2002-2003 and are pretty standard equipment still.
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