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The German is miles better
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except the disc is inferior to the UK one...

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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I, for one, don't see an overload of teal, but even if you can, it shouldn't be a deal-breaker for those who love the movie.
It's the disastrous audio that is the deal-breaker.

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It's the disastrous audio that is the deal-breaker.

Blah blah, if this was any other release everyone would be praising the hell out of the audio. It's quite fantastic. Yes, it has its problems with the foley sounds, but its pretty spectacular regardless.

Would it have been nice to get the mono track? Of course. Be happy that we even got a remaster as amazing as this one is. Most movies are not so lucky.
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Super mega massive rubbish, we have always slated crap remixes when original audio is missing like this.
This is not some mad discrimination against Cameron.
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After watching this BD with with the multi-channel, I can't see watching/listening to it with a mono track. It's rare I've watched something with a Mono track. And since getting my first surround system twenty one years ago, a mono track is not something I'm looking for when watching a movie.

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Also, what's up with black and white movies? Why would you watch something like that when you can watch new movies in colour?!
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After watching this BD with with the 3D conversion of my Samsung TV, I can't see watching/listening to it in 2D. It's rare I've watched something with just two dimensions. And since getting my first 3D TV twenty one minutes ago, a 2D image is not something I'm looking for when watching a movie.
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Blue and teal are not the same color.
No one ever talks about "steel teal." That's not a thing.
Neither is "steel blue...." and you're missing my point.wink.gif

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It's the disastrous audio that is the deal-breaker.
To my ears, the surround mix doesn't appear to be much different than the original BD.
Whatever the case, the audio is in no way on the same level as the video (IMO).

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Also, what's up with black and white movies? Why would you watch something like that when you can watch new movies in colour?!
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After watching this BD with with the 3D conversion of my Samsung TV, I can't see watching/listening to it in 2D. It's rare I've watched something with just two dimensions. And since getting my first 3D TV twenty one minutes ago, a 2D image is not something I'm looking for when watching a movie.
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the audio isnt disastrous... its just not worth it for me to spend any money on
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To my ears, the surround mix doesn't appear to be much different than the original BD.

That's the point. The absence of the mono wouldn't be so bad if the 5.1 mix didn't have stupid SFX replacements and missing music cues and other needless changes.
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the audio isnt disastrous...
I agree.
Unfortunately, the audio didn't attain the bump up like the video did.frown.gif

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After watching this BD with with the 3D conversion of my Samsung TV, I can't see watching/listening to it in 2D. It's rare I've watched something with just two dimensions. And since getting my first 3D TV twenty one minutes ago, a 2D image is not something I'm looking for when watching a movie.

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I've been watching/listening to TV/movie content in stereo or multi channel most of my life. We got a stereo VCR back in 1984 when I was in college and back then if it wasn't broadcast in stereo, the cable company also ran a stereo track over the FM. So since I've mostly listened to stereo/multi-channel content, I'm not fond of mono tracks. And I have watched movies this century with mono tracks, but those were Black and White Movies.Which is also another rarity for me.

The movie theater I first saw The Terminator in was a piece of crap. The sound system was crap by 1984 standards but choices were limited back then at College. The theater only had a mono adio system which was not the case with the movie theaters I went to in the DC area in the late 70's and the early 80's. But I had no idea that the original sound track back then was actually mono audio.

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Neither is "steel blue...."

Yes, in fact it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steel_blue

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That's one of the most preposterous things I've read in this thread and that's saying something.

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Yep, no one has the disc bar yourself.
Its full of teal.

I'll give people the benefit of doubt that they saw your exquisite hidden message and lazily opted to not acknowledge, but a bump just in case
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I'll give people the benefit of doubt that they saw your exquisite hidden message and lazily opted to not acknowledge, but a bump just in case

Didn't spot that. LOL
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So, has there been official word that this is the James Cameron supervised digital restoration that was to have been worked on recently, or is it just the old master re-tweaked in the color timing department with less DNR applied?

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!
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So, has there been official word that this is the James Cameron supervised digital restoration that was to have been worked on recently, or is it just the old master re-tweaked in the color timing department with less DNR applied?

Er, you've presumably seen the caps, yet are asking? Total Lowry, bro. Total Lowry.
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^ My immediate apologies for that ghastly reply. But yes, this is totally the Cameron remaster. We're living it. Savor it.
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... this is totally the Cameron remaster. We're living it. Savor it.
I'm teal with envy!
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"Total Lowry". I like it.
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Blah blah, if this was any other release everyone would be praising the hell out of the audio. It's quite fantastic. Yes, it has its problems with the foley sounds, but its pretty spectacular regardless.
Would it have been nice to get the mono track? Of course. Be happy that we even got a remaster as amazing as this one is. Most movies are not so lucky.
After all of this controversy about sound I pulled out my DVD which has both the mono and the surround mixes. If the blu ray doesn't have the mono track it's not a great loss. Bear in mind the film was never intended to be mono in the first place. There are older films made in the mono era they would wipe the floor up sound wise of the mono Terminator track.
Lets take the metallic scraping sound, listen carefully and you hear it doesn't mesh with the music, it's a different layer and sounds like a foley effect. Sonic layers of the recording are buried in the mono mix. If you like the mono mix fine but it does not serve the soundtrack.
And yes I've seen this in a theater, knew it was mono and still prefer the surround for the video release. And as for foley sounds, they never sound real in the first place.

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After all of this controversy about sound I pulled out my DVD which has both the mono and the surround mixes. If the blu ray doesn't have the mono track it's not a great loss. Bear in mind the film was never intended to be mono in the first place. There are older films made in the mono era they would wipe the floor up sound wise of the mono Terminator track.
Lets take the metallic scraping sound, listen carefully and you hear it doesn't mesh with the music, it's a different layer and sounds like a foley effect. Sonic layers of the recording are buried in the mono mix. If you like the mono mix fine but it does not serve the soundtrack.
And yes I've seen this in a theater, knew it was mono and still prefer the surround for the video release. And as for foley sounds, they never sound real in the first place.

People hold up the Image LD mono PCM track as if it's some sonic masterpiece when it's pretty pathetic in places and makes the movie seem even more low budget than it was.
A good example is when the punk shatters the bottle at the beginning of the film: it's just laughable.

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People hold up the Image LD mono PCM track as if it's some sonic masterpiece when it's pretty pathetic in places and makes the movie seem even more low budget than it was.
A good example is when the punk shatters the bottle at the beginning of the film: it's just laughable.

That particular sound effect sounds pretty terrible in the remix as well.

I don't consider the mono track to be a sonic masterpiece, but it's far less obnoxious and distracting than the 5.1.

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People hold up the Image LD mono PCM track as if it's some sonic masterpiece when it's pretty pathetic in places and makes the movie seem even more low budget than it was.
What? Who here has ever said it was a sonic masterpiece or a terrific mix? What it IS is the original sound. The same sound released with the film in theaters and then at home on VHS, Laserdisc and even DVD.

We deserve to have it. It's that simple. Never mind the fact that the 5.1 remix is laughably bad and so different from the original that it is distracting.



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I'm watching this in chunks, 20 minutes here, 30 minutes there.

On the first couple of viewings, I was completely amazed by how clean and detailed the transfer looked. As the scenes got darker (both literally and figuratively), I appreciated the grainy, soft images lending an appropriately gritty, noir feel.

However, the longer I watch, the more annoying and disappointing the teal/green color timing becomes. It is just overwhelming. EVERYTHING is friggin' green! This ain't the incredible hulk or green lantern. Green coats, green lights which are supposed to be blue, everyone's eyes are green. Every wall of every building is green. It is just over the top, ridiculous. Too much!
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I wish the original transfer had another shot in a different region on a bd50 in avc
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