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post #271 of 997 Old 09-18-2012, 12:47 AM
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73% on Rotten Tomatoes looks like a critical one too

I have a love hate relationship with RT. I like the site and usually they get things mostly right but there are so many films that are clearly being paid off. Iron Man is one such beyond awful film I think with a rating over 90% which is purely a dream. The script for that film is so bad I wouldn't even know how to write something so corny and obsolete. I know they were following some of the story but the film was just plain bad Hollywood cinema and the raves just kept coming in from the juiced up crowd. I was ready for Batman type awesomeness and got something I will honestly never watch again, not that I watched more than 30m total while fast forwarding through it.

Rambo is another one. I thought Sly did a truly fantastic job with the film and despite some hammy stuff, seriously Iron Man is the very idea of hammy idiocy, the film was true to its roots, had a decent message, and was a kick ass take no prisoners action film like Predator or another of those. It sits at below 40% I think. People are just mindless if you ask me and Hollywood pays most of these people off.

Now saying that, there are some very good reviewers included on that site whom I go to in times of need.
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I have a love hate relationship with RT. I like the site and usually they get things mostly right but there are so many films that are clearly being paid off.

Very interesting. Prometheus has a pretty good rating on the site, and I don't think it's deserving. The film was a major letdown for me, and probably for a lot of other people too. Of course, the fanboys will come out and defend it forever, for reasons which remain unclear, but overall, it was a major disappointment.
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Haven't seen this yet but I notice a lot of Hollywood blockbusters that are not OBVIOUS clunkers getting waaaaaaay too highly rated reviews overall.
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They're in the black. Way into the black.

Really? How so? How much did they spend on the marketing campaign? How come it's way into the black when it hasn't even passed its production costs at the box office (North American that is)?
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390 million worldwide. They are in the black and every dollar coming is is more profit. It most certainly did not make as much money as they had hoped, but it MADE MONEY. Had the audience reaction not been so split, I think it would have hit 450 to 500 million.

As it stands, 127 million domestic for an R rated film is pretty darned high. Hollywood is downright terrified of the R rating now. So much so that anything and everything is forced into a PG-13 mold. Films like TAKEN and COLUMBIANA (to name just two of hundreds) are so castrated that they are complete sh** compared to their R rated 80's and early 90's counterparts.

My wife and I watched COMMANDO the other day. She had never seen it. She was stunned by the violence and foul language and found herself screaming during the action scenes. It's a visceral, chemical reaction people have to more realistic violence. That doesn't happen with PG-13 shoot em ups or horror films.

As for PROMETHEUS, I did like the film. I'm glad I saw it on the big screen (a real IMAX theater) and didn't mind the 3D for once. But then again, it was shot in 3D and real 15/70 IMAX is bright enough not to make your eyes hurt.

One last note, ten years ago this would make hundreds of millions more worldwide from DVD sales. Those days are gone gone gone.

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Really? How so? How much did they spend on the marketing campaign? How come it's way into the black when it hasn't even passed its production costs at the box office (North American that is)?

See the above. Marketing was reported as $50m, and the typical conservative estimate, when you don't know marketing or distribution costs, is budget X2 before you start earning. But, there seems to be some troll creep that you now need to be a billion dollar franchise to see a few bucks. Go with that absurdity if you want.

Further, Hollywood is all about WW now, unlike decades back. Prometheus is actually a case in point; British director and a cast made from around the world.
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But, there seems to be some troll creep that you now need to be a billion dollar franchise to see a few bucks. Go with that absurdity if you want.

Well that's not what I think, far from it. I simply figured Prometheus was just merely profitable at this point. But thank you and Matt both for the clarification.
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NP, didn't mean to infer I was talking to about you. I'm just amazed at how crazy people have gotten with the "What a movie needs to do to be profitable". It's mainly just a pissing match now, with no basis in reality. Hell, a lot of films that "are not profitable" still make the studio a good chunk of money through the corporation set up in the films name. The spoils just don't go to anyone else involved, only the studio.
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There has been a number of films in recent years that weren't domestic blockbusters and ended up as being big hits internationally.

Here is the proper metric: Domestic B.O. + International B.O. + Video Sales - Costs = SUCCESS

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Recent average marketing costs are 38% of the budget. Studio gets roughly 50% of the domestic take and under 40% of the international take.

Prometheus' budget is $130m.
Marketing (@38%) is $50m
Total cost is $180m.

Domestic take is $126.46m, profit is (@50%) $63m.
International take (so far) is $260.2m, profit is (@40%) $104m.

63+104-180 = -$13m in the hole still.

Most big releases make an additional profit of $100m for DVD, Blu-ray, TV deals, etc.

At the end of the run, Prometheus should have a $100m profit. That is not counting merchandise, like toys, etc.

I say that's pretty successful.
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There has been a number of films in recent years that weren't domestic blockbusters and ended up as being big hits internationally.
Here is the proper metric: Domestic B.O. + International B.O. + Video Sales - Costs = SUCCESS

It's why we're still getting Ice Age movies. They make a killing internationally. (Ice Age 4 made $154 mil domestically, but a whopping $679 million internationally.)
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Take your glasses off and see how "2D" it really is. Depth was pretty much constant for the entire film.

I can only tell you what I experienced. I did take off my glasses, repeatedly. The second half of the movie had next to no attempt at 3D. Maybe this was a problem with the digital IMAX upconversion. I don't know, but there was nothing going on in terms of 3D for much of the movie.

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I actually find it funny that most of the deleted scenes are answers to the supposed "plot holes", where character verbatim tell the audience whats going on. I'm guessing that's why they released this batch first, and Scott was right to cut them, and expect the audience to do a little arithmetic themselves.

What a load of bunk. The problem with the movie isn't that it was too mysterious or confusing for us poor feeble-minded morons in the audience. The problem is that the movie is just stupid. Outrageously, insultingly stupid. It didn't have "plot holes." It had moron characters behaving stupidly for no reason at all.

"Oh look, it's an angry penis monster. How cute! I'm gonna go pet it!"
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Re: Online digital release:
Free gift to the pirates, I call it. Ten bucks says we'll see, let me call it a "wide distribution" right after this is released.
So this was released, what.. today? And looks like I was right. I'm curious as to what Fox thought was going to happen.

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What a load of bunk. The problem with the movie isn't that it was too mysterious or confusing for us poor feeble-minded morons in the audience. The problem is that the movie is just stupid. Outrageously, insultingly stupid. It didn't have "plot holes." It had moron characters behaving stupidly for no reason at all.
"Oh look, it's an angry penis monster. How cute! I'm gonna go pet it!"

That didn't happen. Even if it's repeated over and over.
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What a load of bunk. The problem with the movie isn't that it was too mysterious or confusing for us poor feeble-minded morons in the audience. The problem is that the movie is just stupid. Outrageously, insultingly stupid. It didn't have "plot holes." It had moron characters behaving stupidly for no reason at all.
"Oh look, it's an angry penis monster. How cute! I'm gonna go pet it!"

Probably stupid for you. Just bc you say its stupid doesn't make it stupid.
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That they made it this low budget and that beautiful it's amazing.

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$130m is low budget? Here are some movie budgets adjusted for inflation using: http://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm

All budgets were taken from www.wikipedia.com and www.imdb.com and www.boxofficemojo.com

Alien $35m
The Abyss $130m
Aliens $39m
Jaws $30m
Close Encounters of the Third Kind $76m
Jurassic Park $100m
The Terminator $14m
Alien 3 $82m
Back to the Future $41m
Braveheart $109m
Blade Runner $67m
Ben-Hur $119m
Lawrence of Arabia $114m
2001: A Space Odyssey $70m
Independence Day $110m
The Matrix $87m
Dune $89m
Star Wars $42m
Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back $89m
Star Wars: Return of the Jedi $75m

I just took a bunch of random movies to show what kind of nonsense that statement is. And I can list another 100 movies. If anything, Prometheus was an extremely expensive movie. Sure it looks beautiful on screen, but not more than a hundred other movies that cost only a fraction and look much better.
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What nonsense do you speak? The budgets are already adjusted for 2012.
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"Oh look, it's an angry penis monster. How cute! I'm gonna go pet it!"
Hey now!
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That didn't happen. Even if it's repeated over and over.

What version of the movie did you see that didn't include that scene? The "Let's go pet the penis monster" scene very much is a critical plot point in the movie.

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Probably stupid for you. Just bc you say its stupid doesn't make it stupid.

It's the script that makes the movie stupid. Doesn't have anything to do with me.

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josh, your perpetual hating of this movie isn't going to change a thing.

we know the plot had a lot of irrational conduct by the actors, but you ripping it on a blu ray thread is similarly irrational.

you made your points over and over so just quit the thread and let others who were more tolerant of the misgivings of
this script anticipate the br release.

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Probably stupid for you. Just bc you say its stupid doesn't make it stupid.
Doesn't have anything to do with me.

Sure it does. This:
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What version of the movie did you see that didn't include that scene? The "Let's go pet the penis monster" scene very much is a critical plot point in the movie.

The version of the movie I saw twice, rather than once and started going on dramatically about things that didn't happen, or thing I decided to change because of my seething hatred at the first viewing.

Milburn never touched the thing; he did wave his hand in front of it like a snake charmer before it attacked. He also wasn't that close, he was a good couple of feet away, and his actions were cautious and a little skidish. The thing leap a good distance to attach itself to his arm.

You might have a case to say it was unwise to taunt alien life you don' know much about, but this ridiculous notion that he was petting the thing is just crud repeated ad nauseum by those with a bone to pick. It never happened. The scene did not play out that way, outside of your imagination.
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All this budget stuff is tosh, if you compare it you compare it to films made in the same year!
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Josh, good God, just let it go. You hate this movie more than even GLADIATOR. eek.gif Move on to something else. You said what you wanted to say.

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You hate this movie more than even GLADIATOR. eek.gif
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I can only tell you what I experienced.
In the Star Trek movie thread you claimed that you experienced distorted close-ups in that movie and were convinced that they had been deliberately shot that way. I had never seen those distorted close-ups the several times I saw Star Trek on the big screen, nor did anyone I know. When it came out on BD, I asked you to point out examples of those distorted shots but you couldn't.

Likewise, the few times I saw Prometheus on the big screen there wasn't any lessening of 3D in the second half of the film. Having already read your "I hated hated hated f***ing HATED ‘Prometheus’" review before my last viewing, I deliberately took off the 3D glassed at various moments late in the film to check if your claim had any validity. The 3D remained consistent throughout the film. There were more outdoor shots earlier in the film, which might have highlighted the 3D effect during the first half for some viewers. But that subjective impression is not that same as you objectively stating in your review that the film "stops being 3D in the second half".

Not liking the film is one thing, claiming things that don't exist is something else. To paraphrase a certain senator: you're entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

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