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Avatar 3D Blu-ray
Limited 3D Edition / Blu-ray 3D + Blu-ray + DVD
20th Century Fox | 2009 | min? | Oct 16, 2012






"The two-disc Avatar 3D Blu-ray Collector's Edition will feature the original theatrical release and be available in all-new collectible packaging."


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Video codec: MPEG-4 MVC
Video resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

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Three-disc set (2 BDs, 1 DVD)
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3D double dip in six months then
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If its 178 mins how is it not the extended version ?

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Ghastly cover.

That 2.39:1 is surely either wrong or taking the piss? The 3D cinema version was 1.78:1 and the 2D (and superior version IMO) was 2.39:1.
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If its 178 mins how is it not the extended version ?
You're right....it is the Extended Cut (according to IMDB).

I was under the impression the original AR was 1.78, not 2.39....confused.gif

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Ghastly cover.
That 2.39:1 is surely either wrong or taking the piss? The 3D cinema version was 1.78:1 and the 2D (and superior version IMO) was 2.39:1.
Ah, OK, I think I got it.

One 3D BD at 1.78 and a 2D BD (and DVD) at 2.39.
I'll bet that's the deal here....

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Ghastly cover.
That 2.39:1 is surely either wrong or taking the piss? The 3D cinema version was 1.78:1 and the 2D (and superior version IMO) was 2.39:1.

The 3D version is the closest that comes to representing the director's original intent, so I would think that would be superior. What do you gain with the 2.39:1 version? You're actually losing information that you were intended to see!

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The 3D version is the closest that comes to representing the director's original intent, so I would think that would be superior. What do you gain with the 2.39:1 version? You're actually losing information that you were intended to see!

This is an ancient argument that has been hashed out many times before. During production, Cameron composed the movie for 2.39:1, with the top and bottom of the frame left "safe" for open-matte TV broadcast masters, exactly the same way he'd made every previous movie since The Abyss. Only during post-production did Cameron change his mind after-the-fact and decide that he preferred the open matte version.

Initially, he said that he liked 1.78:1 for the 3D version of the movie because it was more immersive that way, but still preferred 2.39:1 for 2D. By the time the Blu-ray came out, he changed his mind yet again and said that he liked 1.78:1 for everything.

The 16:9 Blu-ray transfer has a lot of dead space at the top and bottom of the frame (more so on the bottom, because the movie was shot with the 2.39:1 top line above center).

The movie was projected at both 1.85:1 and 2.39:1 theatrically, depending on the size of the theater screen. I saw it in 2.39:1 3D, and it looked very well composed. The 16:9 open matte version doesn't look nearly as well composed to me.

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Post 1 in this link has the 2 aspect ratio comparison pics:

http://www.avsforum.com/t/1240365/avatar-1-78-vs-2-27-comparison

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Guys and Gals: Please let's not get into a debate about aspect ratio for this title. Information on the title is great....debating the aspect ratio topic is not. Why do you ask...cause as Josh pointed out it's been beaten to death in existing threads. Bump an existing thread if you want to discuss....let's keep this one free of the aspect ratio debate. If it heads that way, we'll consider locking this thread till the title is released (then reopening it so the discussion will focus on the release, which is the real intent of the thread any way.)

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If its 178 mins how is it not the extended version ?

There are three cuts of Avatar
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There are three cuts of Avatar

Yea....
theatrical 162
special edition 170
extended 178

so the 178 thats listed = extended

No ?

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Where did I say it was not the extended? I said double dip, as it is missing the extras and the other cuts.
You had a conversation all by yourself there.
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Where did I say it was not the extended? I said double dip, as it is missing the extras and the other cuts.
You had a conversation all by yourself there.

But what does that have to do with my 178 question ?

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Avatar 2009 3D

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$139.95 currently

Panasonic Exclusive Blu-ray 3D
20th Century Fox 2009 162 min

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Video codec: MPEG-4 MVC
Video resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.78:1
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

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English: DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

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That's a really long time to hold an exclusive on a Bluray title: 2009 to 2012 and a deplorable practice by the studio.
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I'm sorry, but I haven't been able to tell from this thread. Do we know yet what the aspect ratios will be on the BluRay versions of this set? Thanks.

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I'm sorry, but I haven't been able to tell from this thread. Do we know yet what the aspect ratios will be on the BluRay versions of this set? Thanks.
Kevin

It will almost certainly be the same 16:9 transfer previously available on the Panasonic exclusive disc. All home video transfers of this movie have been 16:9. James Cameron decided that he preferred that ratio for it.

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A day late and a dollar short. I already have the Panasonic 3D theatrical disc and I didn't think the movie was the end-all, be-all to actually buy a copy. It's Dances With Big Blue Smurfs, in a nutshell. biggrin.gif You want a better movie IMHO with pretty much the same story and without all the CGI? Buy Dances With Wolves on Blu-ray.

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If its 178 mins how is it not the extended version ?

This version is not the extended version of the film. It's the theatrical version. Fox stated in it's official press release it's the theatrical version. I'm sure we will see another 3D Blu Ray down the road that contains the other versions of the film in 3D.
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The Dances with Wolves comparison is obvious and valid; however, IMO Avatar is still differentiated enough where it isn't distracting in their similarities. The action scenes overall are very entertaining, and the CGI is state-of-the-art. The characters are mostly fleshed out, and who doesn't love Lang's performance as Colonel Quaritch?


Unfortunately, I will mostly likely do a rare blu-ray double dip on this title, simply because it is THE title to own if you enjoy 3D. But I think I will only double dip if we get the extended cut in 3D.

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The Dances with Wolves comparison is obvious and valid; however, IMO Avatar is still differentiated enough where it isn't distracting in their similarities. The action scenes overall are very entertaining, and the CGI is state-of-the-art. The characters are mostly fleshed out, and who doesn't love Lang's performance as Colonel Quaritch?
Unfortunately, I will mostly likely do a rare blu-ray double dip on this title, simply because it is THE title to own if you enjoy 3D. But I think I will only double dip if we get the extended cut in 3D.

Yeah, this is why I have this movie ( I own the 3D ), it sets the standard for 3D viewing. Cameron seems to always have the same theme through his movies: female lead / hero, crazy soldiers, and evil corporations.........Aliens,Abyss, even Titanic had similarities...
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I really hope the consumer gives this release the finger it deserves and sends a message to the studios and their cosy deals with corporations which treat the consumer with contempt.

Avatar? That's so last decade.
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Maybe, I will for a less than $10 copy.
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who doesn't love Lang's performance as Colonel Quaritch?

Me, for one. Colonel Snarly Evilpants was a terribly caricatured performance.

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Pfft. Stephen Lang is why I keep returning to Avatar. I haven't seen anyone commit themselves so completely to such a one-dimensional character in quite some time. He gets some batshit insane lines, like that "kill you and take your eyes for jujubees" bit. I don't know what the **** a "jujubee" is, but when Quaritch says it I start grinning from ear to ear. Love that bit when he escapes the crashing bomber, too. The man is a scenery-chewing badass, something which is sorely needed in a film as po-faced as Avatar.
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He gets some batshit insane lines, like that "kill you and take your eyes for jujubees" bit. I don't know what the **** a "jujubee" is, but when Quaritch says it I start grinning from ear to ear.

For me the movie works best if you view it as a live action cartoon, which it sort of is anyway.

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This version is not the extended version of the film. It's the theatrical version. Fox stated in it's official press release it's the theatrical version. I'm sure we will see another 3D Blu Ray down the road that contains the other versions of the film in 3D.

Yep we know its not extended but then why does it say 178 mins in the OPs post #1 instead of the 162 theatrical runtime ?

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