Originally Posted by dvdmike007
Have you heard Bourne Legacy yet? Listen to that and knight back to back
Originally Posted by Scott Simonian
The Dark Knight sounds fine. They didn't go all crazy with compressed and uber loud sound effects. Effects are properly dynamic and proper loud.
Thanks guys. While I did not listen to Bourne back to back with DKR, I did listen to BB, DK and DKR back to back to back on Fri night so it sounds like that should work as well. I could certainly tell that each mix was different vs the others. The biggest difference I noticed between all the mixes was that the LFE/bass going from BB to the last 2 movies was considerably more aggressive both in where it was used, how often it was used and the actual level which was louder in the 2nd two films. I also noticed how the last film was just mixed loud all around like you guys have mentioned, but again to me this seemed intentional and like they were trying to create this atmosphere of gloom, doom, edge of your seat tension, etc..........and.......it worked for me. Considering the plan was to destroy Gotham and wipe it off the earth, I thought the audio conveyed that type of mood very well and really pulled me in. I loved the audio personally, but I can see where you guys are coming from as well even though it was not an issue for me. Lots of variables to consider here as well including different room, equip, ears, calibration, etc.......All of us A/V guys are sensitive to various things when it comes to audio and/or video and you guys seem to be very sensitive to any sort of compression and I never really have been which is also partly why I was impressed and you guys were not. Having said all that and from a pure technical perspective, I would agree that the DK is a superior mix to DKR.
Another reason I did not have an issue with the way the DKR was mixed as far as this goes is that there was still enough dynamic range during these LOUD action scenes to emphasize the big moments. The first time the "Bat" makes an appearance, still plenty of dynamic range to make this moment stand out. The stadium explosion same thing. The big bomb scene toward the end same thing. Those are just off the top of my head, but all still had ample room dynamically in my setup to still emphasize their importance/impact/weight in the realm of the film.
My biggest issue with audio mixing by far is when a track for this type of movie is mixed WAY to conservatively in one area or another. Two classic examples of this are 2012 and Revenge of the Sith. Both of these films dropped the ball and were incredibly conservative in the low end considering the on screen action and this takes me out of a film quicker than anything. On the opposite end of the spectrum we have something like DKR which was VERY aggressive. I dont have a problem with VERY aggressive mixing for a completely unrealistic film like the film in question. I would MUCH, MUCH rather have them go a bit overboard on the mix than go to light and conservative, especially with a movie like this which is obviously completely unrealistic in a lot of ways. That is just me though and some will disagree which is cool as well.
By FAR my biggest complaint with these films (besides the horrible variable aspect) from a technical perspective is what appears to be some sort of image stability issue with both the IMAX and non IMAX footage. There is this almost faint strobing and flickering type characteristic to many parts of these films either with the way they were filmed or the equip/techniques used which I have not seen mentioned anywhere but I find distracting. I first noticed this last week when I popped in BB on HD-DVD for the first time in years as I was going to watch it and DK before DKR came out last Tues. This strobing caught my eye in both dark and brighter type scenes at times to the point that I turned off the movie thinking there might be something wrong with either my disc, HD-DVD player, projector or receiver. I then popped in Chronicles of Riddick and Beowulf as both have some great dark material where this would show up if it was an equip issue and Riddick has both great dark and bright scenes to test with. Both titles were rock solid. I then tested some blu rays and further ruled out my equip as they were rock solid as well. I chalked it up to maybe a faulty disc somehow and left it at that. I then went and bought DKR on Tues and they had BB on blu ray on sale so I decided to buy it to see if my disc was in fact the culprit. Turns out the blu ray has the exact same issue, so I now knew it was the transfer. To further prove it was just something with the transfer, I then went and played the disc on my upstairs plasma/PS3 and could see the EXACT same thing. It was something in the transfer.
When we watched DKR for the first time Thurs night I thought I was going crazy as I could see this same thing, although not as intense, in both the IMAX and non IMAX portions of the film!
At this point I started to question my setup again, but once again I could see the exact same thing testing on the upstairs setup and I even tested it on a 3rd bedroom setup which has just a little 20" tube TV and I could even see it on that. Fri night I watched all 3 films like I mentioned and while BB was clearly the most severe as far as this issue, I could see it in all 3 films off/on at various times.
So that is my biggest issue as far as all 3 of these films from a technical perspective. What is this exactly? To see what I am talking about, a great scene to see it with is on the Batman Begins blu ray or HD-DVD starting at the 54:38 mark through the rest of this scene in Gordans office. You should be able to see this kind of sporadic faint strobing of the picture in general, but if you look at the dark part on the right side starting at this time stamp it should be easy to see. Is this due to the type of camera used? Or maybe the technique? Again, I can see it even with the IMAX footage at times. Is this something to do with the way Nolan films? I find whatever this is very annoying to the point that it detracts from a lot of the otherwise amazing IMAX footage.
My other complaint about the video is just the mixture of IMAX and non IMAX in general and the lack of consistency this causes in both DK and DKR. There are many jarring examples of switching from one to the other, but a great example is right in the beginning of DKR right after the plane jack scene when it switches to the scene in Gotham during the Harvy Dent event. It is like going from some of the best blu ray I have seen to DVD quality!
I personally hate this technique as it is just way to inconsistent between shots and really pulls me out of the film to some degree.
Having said all that, and once you put aside the issues as much as possible, I thought all 3 films were excellent and watching the 3 back to back to back makes for one hell of a HT experience assuming you are one of those that likes the audio mix in 3.