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Wendell R. Breland's Avatar Wendell R. Breland 09:28 AM 02-20-2014
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Dolby Digital is capped at 448kbps on a DVD while it's capped at 640kbps on a BD?

In a way that is correct. I have a music disc (CD?) from many years ago that has a DD 640 kbps track on it and required a button sequence in order to select the high bit rate sound track. It requires a DVD player for DD 640 kbps playback. IIRC, there were/are DVD's with DD at 384 kbps.

I believe there is a audio codec royalty on each disc so eliminating the lossless tracks would save the provider some money. If memory serves, the large rental outlets have to destroy their rental copies when done with them. I did note in a recent Netflix SEC filing they showed some income from the sale of used rental disc.

Wendell R. Breland's Avatar Wendell R. Breland 09:41 AM 02-20-2014
Another rental outlet, MyDVDXpress. My Video Store searches for B&M outlets.
mailiang's Avatar mailiang 12:02 PM 02-20-2014
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Another rental outlet, MyDVDXpress. My Video Store searches for B&M outlets.

These outlets are few and far between when compared to RB, so even if there is one near you, I doubt their inventory of new releases can compete with RB. Getting a popular title will probably be a crap shoot.


Ian
ElJimador's Avatar ElJimador 12:22 PM 02-20-2014
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Originally Posted by mailiang View Post

These outlets are few and far between when compared to RB, so even if there is one near you, I doubt their inventory of new releases can compete with RB. Getting a popular title will probably be a crap shoot.


Ian

FYI, the few kiosks anywhere near me (San Francisco) all show the same titles as Redbox. In fact exactly the same on bluray and only a few older titles on DVD that I don't believe Redbox has currently. And the site that searches for B&M stores didn't pull up anything even though we do have a couple great ones here in Berkeley.

Thanks to Wendell for posting the links though. I've been wondering if there might be other local rental outlets that I wasn't aware of so it's at least nice to have a couple other resources to check.
mailiang's Avatar mailiang 12:51 PM 02-20-2014
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FYI, the few kiosks anywhere near me (San Francisco) all show the same titles as Redbox. In fact exactly the same on bluray and only a few older titles on DVD that I don't believe Redbox has currently..

Since RB has more locations, I was referring to the amount of inventory available in terms of stock, not titles.


Ian
ElJimador's Avatar ElJimador 01:18 PM 02-20-2014
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Since RB has more locations, I was referring to the amount of inventory available in terms of stock, not titles.


Ian

Understood. I was just a little surprised to see exactly the same titles.
Kascnef82's Avatar Kascnef82 01:47 PM 02-20-2014
Red 2 is lossy DD 5.1 640kps for both English and Spanish tracks on Netflix.
Wendell R. Breland's Avatar Wendell R. Breland 02:51 PM 02-20-2014
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These outlets are few and far between when compared to RB

The opposite is true here in the mountains of western NC but that is changing. Ingles did have a video rental section in most every store but the new stores do not, they have a RB instead. Hard to compete against something that rarely calls in sick!!

I just hope Netflix will continue to deliver BD to my mail box as they have since 2006.
C*Tedesco's Avatar C*Tedesco 02:03 PM 02-25-2014
Anyone know if Netflix/Redbox is going to carry Thor:The Darkworld with the master audio format?
aaronwt's Avatar aaronwt 02:04 PM 02-25-2014
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Anyone know if Netflix/Redbox is going to carry Thor:The Darkworld with the master audio format?

Do the Marvel Studio titles usually have it on Netflix? If they do then I wouldn't expect the Thor title to be any different.

This title was also one of the first titles in a long time that did not get shipped to me. 95% of the time I get a new title on release day. They didn't even ship it out to me yesterday or today which is extremely unusual for me. So I have no idea when Netflix will ship it to me.
mailiang's Avatar mailiang 02:22 PM 02-25-2014
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Originally Posted by C*Tedesco View Post

Anyone know if Netflix/Redbox is going to carry Thor:The Darkworld with the master audio format?

From Netflix:
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Blu-ray details

Length
112 minutes
Screen formats
Widescreen 1.85:1
Subtitles
English SDH, French, Spanish (Neutral), Portuguese
Language and sound
English: DTS 7.1 HDEnglish DVS: Dolby Digital 2.0 StereoFrench: Dolby Digital 5.1Spanish (Neutral): Dolby Digital 5.1Portuguese: Dolby Digital 5.1

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This title was also one of the first titles in a long time that did not get shipped to me. 95% of the time I get a new title on release day. They didn't even ship it out to me yesterday or today which is extremely unusual for me. So I have no idea when Netflix will ship it to me.


Join the club. wink.gif


Ian
JohnnyEM's Avatar JohnnyEM 05:10 PM 02-25-2014
I believe I have it figured out for the most part.

I rented Now You See Me (2013) from Netflix and was surprised to see that the lossless DTS-HD MA 5.1 was present on the BD and this is a Summit Entertainment rental release.

I started looking into the BD's that people have been reporting as downgraded to DD 5.1 and I noticed that they all have DTS-HD MA 7.1 on the retail version. So, if it's Lionsgate/Summit Entertainment and the retail has a DTS-HD MA 7.1 track, then it will likely get downgraded to DD 5.1 on the rental.

Audio in the retail versions:

Hunger Games (Lionsgate) DTS-HD MA 7.1
Ender's Game (Summit Entertainment) DTS-HD MA 7.1
Red 2 (Summit Entertainement) DTS-HD MA 7.1
Escape Plan (Summit Entertainement) DTS-HD MA 7.1

source: http://www.blu-ray.com
powertoburn's Avatar powertoburn 10:57 PM 02-26-2014
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Originally Posted by C*Tedesco View Post

Anyone know if Netflix/Redbox is going to carry Thor:The Darkworld with the master audio format?

Since it is a Disney release it most likely will have the DTS HD 7.1 soundtrack - I rented "Lone Ranger" and it still has 7.1. However Netflix did not ship "Thor" to me it is very long wait and I got "Rush" instead
powertoburn's Avatar powertoburn 10:59 PM 02-26-2014
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Originally Posted by JohnnyEM View Post

I believe I have it figured out for the most part.

I rented Now You See Me (2013) from Netflix and was surprised to see that the lossless DTS-HD MA 5.1 was present on the BD and this is a Summit Entertainment rental release.

I started looking into the BD's that people have been reporting as downgraded to DD 5.1 and I noticed that they all have DTS-HD MA 7.1 on the retail version. So, if it's Lionsgate/Summit Entertainment and the retail has a DTS-HD MA 7.1 track, then it will likely get downgraded to DD 5.1 on the rental.

Audio in the retail versions:

Hunger Games (Lionsgate) DTS-HD MA 7.1
Ender's Game (Summit Entertainment) DTS-HD MA 7.1
Red 2 (Summit Entertainement) DTS-HD MA 7.1
Escape Plan (Summit Entertainement) DTS-HD MA 7.1

source: http://www.blu-ray.com

"Now You See Me" also has a DTS-HD MA 7.1 soundtrack on the retail version.

I know "What To Expect When You are Expecting" also has a DD 5.1 and not DTS HD 5.1
osogovo's Avatar osogovo 11:06 PM 02-26-2014
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Anyone know if Netflix/Redbox is going to carry Thor:The Darkworld with the master audio format?

Rented it from Redbox, today and it has DTS HD 7.1.


PeterTHX's Avatar PeterTHX 03:12 PM 03-05-2014
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Rented it from Redbox, today and it has DTS HD 7.1.

DTS-HD MA or DTS-HD HR?
johnniedoo's Avatar johnniedoo 03:29 PM 03-05-2014
I have gotten both types of DTS MA 7.1, and 5.1 as well as Dolby Digital and have gotten the original re masters in Blu Ray of Robin Hood and others with Dolby but mono as it was originally, I guess. the audio on these old ones has been kept at mono.
I have dramatically cut back on Netflix. look at the red box more often with fewer actual picks now. I am ,or have become , increasingly disappointed with netflix as a resource . I had been a 4Disc at a time plus streaming and kept that until a short while after the break up to the 2 entities. Now I am down to only 1dvd /unlimited. and streaming. I have not bothered to check streaming out 3 times in the past 2 months. I am disappointed with the reduction and removal of some of the older titles and I am not interested in the huge increase in Animated, Old Usa commercial channel repeats and all the foreign, asian mostly titles. some are fine but there has become a disproportionate shift in content there; it has gone away from my interests almost completely.
So, in this regard, I am far less likely to get any kinds of DTS or Dolby true audio . I have gotten a few of the newest releases in blu ray format and each has been in the appropriate, or originally mastered audio but that accounts for a handful of titles only.
I have found that the 'newer' streaming titles come through with far better HD audio through my AVR set up but the smart tv app is still limited and likely will stay so i just dont bother with netflix in my smart LG tv or LG bd player either. well over a year and a half since i bothered. just turn them on to see if there is any firmware updates to install. never actually bother with watching. just in case there is any update available, i do not want any surprises, last time, a couple of yrs ago, I wanted to watch a blu ray movie in the player (570) but I got forced to sit through a mandatory update process that took forever, i played the movie in the computer bd player or would have lost interest after half an hour waiting on the update
mgkdragn's Avatar mgkdragn 03:54 PM 03-05-2014
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DTS-HD MA or DTS-HD HR?

The disk I rented at RB was DTS-HD MA Thor:The Darkworld .. YMMV ..

That did not make up for the film itself .. eek.gif
mailiang's Avatar mailiang 04:40 PM 03-05-2014
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The disk I rented at RB was DTS-HD MA Thor:The Darkworld .. YMMV ..

That did not make up for the film itself .. eek.gif

I finally received a copy from Netflix this week and now you post this?


Ian biggrin.gif
mgkdragn's Avatar mgkdragn 04:43 PM 03-05-2014
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I finally received a copy from Netflix this week and now you post this?


Ian biggrin.gif

You mean the comment about the film .. ?? eek.gif

I guess I'm just not much of a Thor fan since I seem to find the films overbearing and overblown .. biggrin.gif
aaronwt's Avatar aaronwt 04:55 PM 03-05-2014
I thought it was better than the first one. And I saw it in the IMAX theater too.
Elitegti17's Avatar Elitegti17 10:00 AM 03-07-2014
Can anyone confirm if Hunger games catching fire from Netflix had a lossless track?

Thanks
mgkdragn's Avatar mgkdragn 10:41 AM 03-07-2014
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I thought it was better than the first one. And I saw it in the IMAX theater too.

I'll agree .. it was better than the first one ..
rdgrimes's Avatar rdgrimes 11:42 AM 03-07-2014
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Can anyone confirm if Hunger games catching fire from Netflix had a lossless track?

Thanks

Redbox rental version has lossy audio.
Elitegti17's Avatar Elitegti17 11:59 AM 03-07-2014
Thanks!
mgkdragn's Avatar mgkdragn 12:06 PM 03-07-2014
I edited the thread title to reflect RedBox disks as well ..
T.Wells's Avatar T.Wells 03:54 PM 03-07-2014
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I edited the thread title to reflect RedBox disks as well ..

Are you saying that Netflix also has lossy audio as well? My copy arrives tomorrow and I am excited to watch it tomorrow night. Another Hunger Games with lossy audio will be a bummer.
aaronwt's Avatar aaronwt 03:56 PM 03-07-2014
This was expected since the first movie rental was the same way.
mgkdragn's Avatar mgkdragn 03:58 PM 03-07-2014
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Are you saying that Netflix also has lossy audio as well? My copy arrives tomorrow and I am excited to watch it tomorrow night. Another Hunger Games with lossy audio will be a bummer.

The original title of the thread did not include Redbox disks .. but since many posters put the info on the thread regarding Redbox disks, I added Redbox to the title ..

And yes, if Redbox is offering a lossy disk, it seems to be a fairly safe bet Netflix will also be lossy .. and vice versa ..

Anyone that differs with that, please chime in ..
Dragon Reborn's Avatar Dragon Reborn 05:23 PM 03-07-2014
I just rented my copy of Hunger Games Catching Fire from a Redbox kiosk. DD 5.1 sound @ 640kbps only.

Go figure … it's my first Redbox rental ever … not impressed.



EDIT: from a Redbox in Canada
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