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The only Lionsgate lossy BD's are the big blockbusters like Hunger Games and The Expendables. These titles are so few and far between it's not an issue for me. IMO, you're probably better off just sticking with Netflix.

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I agree with you that there are very few lossy BD's from LG. That's why I've concluded that it does not make economic sense for me to join another monthly subscription plan.

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Are there any places that one can rent a LG disc with lossless audio without paying a monthly subscription? I checked out 3D BluRay Rentals but the cheapest plan is $15.99. Since I only watch a small number of LG movies from Netflix containing lossy audio, it does not seem to make sense to pay for a full month at another rental company. And my family will not let me switch out of Netflix because some of them stream shows on their bedroom TV's. Too bad all my local video stores have gone bust, so I have to depend upon options like Netflix and 3D BluRay Rentals for renting movies.
They also rent per disc without a subscription, typically 3.99 to 7.99 for bluray, which is for a 7 day period. That is what I have used since there are few LG releases that cheap out on the audio. I suppose you could also buy the disc and then re-sell on it ebay/amazon, but that is too much hassel for me and would rather pay 3D BR Rental.
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I agree with you that there are very few lossy BD's from LG. That's why I've concluded that it does not make economic sense for me to join another monthly subscription plan.
No way would I encourage the practice by saying "just buy it", but maybe just buy it after its been out a few months and the price drops. Better than the buy/sell because the purchase would be after the timeframe for the early purchases and would be less likely to encourage them.

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They also rent per disc without a subscription, typically 3.99 to 7.99 for bluray, which is for a 7 day period. That is what I have used since there are few LG releases that cheap out on the audio. I suppose you could also buy the disc and then re-sell on it ebay/amazon, but that is too much hassel for me and would rather pay 3D BR Rental.
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No way would I encourage the practice by saying "just buy it", but maybe just buy it after its been out a few months and the price drops. Better than the buy/sell because the purchase would be after the timeframe for the early purchases and would be less likely to encourage them.

If you have to see it right way, then 3D BR Rental.
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Are there any places that one can rent a LG disc with lossless audio without paying a monthly subscription? I checked out 3D BluRay Rentals but the cheapest plan is $15.99. Since I only watch a small number of LG movies from Netflix containing lossy audio, it does not seem to make sense to pay for a full month at another rental company. And my family will not let me switch out of Netflix because some of them stream shows on their bedroom TV's. Too bad all my local video stores have gone bust, so I have to depend upon options like Netflix and 3D BluRay Rentals for renting movies.
You can also rent per title too. You don't have to sign up for a monthly subscription. FOr instance The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 Blu-ray rental is $3.99.

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You can also rent per title too. You don't have to sign up for a monthly subscription. FOr instance The Hunger Games: Mockingjay Part 1 Blu-ray rental is $3.99.
That is great to know, thanks for the tip.


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Anyone know if Wild Card rental has lossless audio?
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Anyone know if Wild Card rental has lossless audio?
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I rented it from RB last week, but since I've slept since then, I can't be absolutely certain, but I'm pretty sure it was lossless ..

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I rented it from RB last week, but since I've slept since then, I can't be absolutely certain, but I'm pretty sure it was lossless ..
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LG and NF are ridiculous, I pay like $16mo for a BD plan, not DVD, BD, with all the glory.
Picture is nothing without the sound.
The fact that I had to watch John Wick in DD is a disgrace, and is seriously making me consider dumping Netflix all together.
I don't pay good $ to watch SD DVDS on the BD plan, so the Audio should be current as well, and that title has Atmos and TrHD!

This isn't 1978, I'm not on the VHS plan!
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I don't pay good $ to watch SD DVDS on the BD plan, so the Audio should be current as well, and that title has Atmos and TrHD!
For paying extra we should also get 3D BD too. If they don't want to support premium content that isn't crippled vs what we can buy, don't charge a surcharge. Simple.

Maybe Disney would still sell 3D BD if Netflix would bother to carry them?

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LG and NF are ridiculous, I pay like $16mo for a BD plan, not DVD, BD, with all the glory.
Picture is nothing without the sound.
The fact that I had to watch John Wick in DD is a disgrace, and is seriously making me consider dumping Netflix all together.
I don't pay good $ to watch SD DVDS on the BD plan, so the Audio should be current as well, and that title has Atmos and TrHD!

This isn't 1978, I'm not on the VHS plan!
First of all VHS and Beta never sounded anywhere close to what Dolby Digital sounds like. So that isn't even a fair comparison.

But if you leave where are you going to go? I have a subscription with Netflix and also with www.3d-blurayrental.com

Redbox gets the same discs as Netflix from Lionsgate. So I don't understand why you blame Netflix for this. The issue should be with Lionsgate not Netflix. But also there are literally only a few titles from Lionsgate that have the lower quality audio. The vast majority of all BD titles released, over 99%, don't have this issue. So I don't understand how so few titles with an issue can get such a rise from someone. I just rent some of the Lionsgate titles from www.3d-blurayrental.com instead of Netflix. The number is so small it's not an issue doing that.

www.3d-blurayrental.com is great for supplementing my 2D BD rentals from Netflix. As well as giving me access to 3D BD rentals too. Which initially was the reason I joined www.3d-blurayrental.com. But now most of my rentals from them are 2D BD titles.
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So go ahead and leave. But where are you going to go? I have a subscription with Netflix and als with www.3d-blurayrental.com

Redbox gets the same discs as Netflix from Lionsgate. So I don't understand why you blame Netflix for this. The issue should be with Lionsgate not Netflix. But also there are literally only a few titles from Lionsgate that have the lower quality audio. The vast majority of titles, over 99%,, don't have this issue. So I don't understand how so few titles with an issue can get such a rise from someone. I just rent some of the Lionsgate titles from www.3d-blurayrental.com instead of Netflix. The number is so small it's not an issue doing that.
Yeah, I'm going to save this reply and use it as a cut and paste on all posts that deal with the NF / Lionsgate scenario .. I don't get why folks put the blame on NF / RB ..
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I already went through this earlier this morning on the JW review thread.
Regardless of who is responsible for this NONSENSE, it's completely unacceptable in today's movie climate.

I was pissed because I felt like I'd been had, and I STILL feel that way, IDC if it's the fault of Netflix, it's a disgrace...I didn't cancel last night, but I admit I was a click away in my account settings.

BTW aaron, I am aware of the VHS/Beta audio difference, I was being sarcastic, and just ranting about the idiocy.
I know some folks don't care, but I do care, and I'm of the belief(probably mistaken) that the more it is accepted, the more this kind of complete and utter nonsense will manifest itself.
Studios don't give a crap about us, if they could go back and make black and white mono movies and save the $, they probably would.

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I already went through this earlier this morning on the JW review thread.
Regardless of who is responsible for this NONSENSE, it's completely unacceptable in today's movie climate.

I was pissed because I felt like I'd been had, and I STILL feel that way, IDC if it's the fault of Netflix, it's a disgrace...I didn't cancel last night, but I admit I was a click away in my account settings.

BTW aaron, I am aware of the VHS/Beta audio difference, I was being sarcastic, and just ranting about the idiocy.
I know some folks don't care, but I do care, and I'm of the belief(probably mistaken) that the more it is accepted, the more this kind of complete and utter nonsense will manifest itself.
Studios don't give a crap about us, if they could go back and make black and white mono movies and save the $, they probably would.

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Yes, I pretty much am on the same wavelength .. it's a small percentage of content, NF / RB are still inexpensive compared to what you get in return, LionsGate brass I'm sure are convinced they are actually somehow beefing up sales with this tactic, and maybe they are selling a few more BD's .. .. but in the grand scheme of things, this certainly does not rate up there with World Hunger ..
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First of all VHS and Beta never sounded anywhere close to what Dolby Digital sounds like. So that isn't even a fair comparison.

But if you leave where are you going to go? I have a subscription with Netflix and also with www.3d-blurayrental.com

Redbox gets the same discs as Netflix from Lionsgate. So I don't understand why you blame Netflix for this. The issue should be with Lionsgate not Netflix. But also there are literally only a few titles from Lionsgate that have the lower quality audio. The vast majority of all BD titles released, over 99%, don't have this issue. So I don't understand how so few titles with an issue can get such a rise from someone. I just rent some of the Lionsgate titles from www.3d-blurayrental.com instead of Netflix. The number is so small it's not an issue doing that.

www.3d-blurayrental.com is great for supplementing my 2D BD rentals from Netflix. As well as giving me access to 3D BD rentals too. Which initially was the reason I joined www.3d-blurayrental.com. But now most of my rentals from them are 2D BD titles.
I too rent the LG releases from 3D Bluray Rental for the lossless audio. I suspect that when 4K BR start to be released it will likely be available from 3DBRrental far before NF/RB. Since I plan on getting a 4K pj this fall and player I will most likely get a subscription to them rather than per disc rental.
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I too rent the LG releases from 3D Bluray Rental for the lossless audio. I suspect that when 4K BR start to be released it will likely be available from 3DBRrental far before NF/RB. Since I plan on getting a 4K pj this fall and player I will most likely get a subscription to them rather than per disc rental.
If you're dead set on UHD, then you will probably be limited to 3D BD Rental regardless, since Redbox is cutting down on their BD titles and Netflix is focusing more on streaming. I doubt either of them will be offering UHD BD's in the future.

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If you're dead set on UHD, then you will probably be limited to 3D BD Rental regardless, since Redbox is cutting down on their BD titles and Netflix is focusing more on streaming. I doubt either of them will be offering UHD BD's in the future.

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Ditto ... I'd lay money on Redbox being the longest of long shots to ever stock UHD .. NF, I'd give a very very slim chance .. hell, people are having a hard enough time getting a BD in some cases ..

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For the price, Netflix still offers the best bang for the buck when compared to other options like pay per view. As long as people continue to give up the best picture and sound for convenience, and are willing pay 5 or more bucks for it, the studios will continue to care less about BD rentals and video/audiophiles like me and you.


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Which is why the studios are even all the more absurd! What is the point in playing games with something as silly as lossless audio on blu-ray rentals? Why antagonize this small bunch who still cares?

It's like with the absurd PAP (protected audio path) nonsense. What pirate actually cared about 16/48 vs 24/48 or 24/96??? All they did is punished the legit users (and if anything made them dig around so much to find ways to solve PAP that the whole PAP backfired).

And it's like with all the DVD only releases for show many TV shows. 480i releases at the same time they push 4k sets? Huh?? And then they say the sales are so low for the DVD they applaud themselves for not having bothered with the blu-ray. Hey, maybe it's because nobody wants to pay for DVD that are worse quality in every way than the way the shows are even broadcast.
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these are good points. I used to be a loyal netflix customer from very early in its inception. just after it started. i had mail dvd and second, i got the streaming side. I watched lots of things and even at the ultimate $25/per month i paid i still felt it was the best bang for the buck. i first ditched the dvd side and saved $15 and lost absolutely nothing in terms of content i wanted. the blu rays i paid extra for began to arrive broken sometimes 3 mailings in a row. i got told it was the studio fault for using thin discs for netflix and other large purchasers. but, i heard from another pro studio side that the studios had nothing to do with the actual dvd/bd manufacturing that either, a large concern like netflx has authorization to make their own or there were intermediate-jobbers-who did thse jobs on specific titles and to specs
i did find that the audio was less good on some bd with the 24/96 audio or other upgraded 5.1 stuff. but not all of them. a couple of studios were always plain 2channel. so, to me , the stream side was fine for a couple more years. then, it became almost all tv redux. and some horrible made for dvd stuff that was far too terrible to waste time on. the tv stuff i like comes from pbs or acorn.which is also sold to pbs sometimes. i do not watch anything at all on commercial tv. nothing. so, netflix , even at teh $8.99 month or i think it was $7.99 then. i quit. were i to go back to any on line streaming ,it would be acorn and that is about half of what netflix costs and though it haa a far smaller vault of possible shows, 90% of them i like, while netflix was down to about 20% and i spent more time scrolling the options than on any one show might last and got only frustration-so, no more netflix
but those rhetorical questions still make me wonder why they, redbox, netflix etc continue to contribute to the crazy reasons for stripping down some of the good titles. or even more perplexing is why those studios issue alternate stripped down titles. the whole charade over piracy is more studio creativity,too. not much of it is valid and much more not even true. the bootleg and pirate movies i have seen on the street are out fast and rarely have either good quality or audio and no one cares. so, by selling stripped down dvds actually increases the pirate value.
i have written to netflix numerous times as an 8yr subscriber , or longer and it carried no weight in anything i suggested for furture content direction, there were plenty of other people with similar input but for many , i guess, reasons, netflix ignored the input. of course, some was due to issues netflix had no control over , in the market place but most weer definitely doable, it was money, which content they could buy for less, even the stuff that was not offered to netflix or licensed eleswher, those licenses were time limited and netflix could have bought in after a wait, short wait in many cases and opted to buy cartoons instead and horrible direct to dvd junk over tried and true used material but good older stuff. some i didnt like but would have opted to watch something new to me that at least had good production values and such over some terrible in every way stuff that was being picked up only because it was cheap and no one had seen it before.(commercially-it had been reviewed as awful already by the normal first release peopleress etc, netflix , redbox all video large scale customers have access to pre release material, always have)

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