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View Poll Results: Would you buy a 48 fps version of the Hobbit on Blu-ray?
Yes - I'd buy a 48 fps version of the Hobbit on Blu-ray 96 48.98%
No - I'd only buy the 24 fps version 46 23.47%
I'd buy both versions (24 fps and 48 fps) 34 17.35%
I'd wouldn't buy any version of it 20 10.20%
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Would you buy a 48 fps (HFR) 1080p version of the Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey on Blu-ray, assuming they add this format to the Blu-ray specs, and the disc is about the same price as the 24 fps version?
Assuming it contained a 3D HFR version and a 2D HFR version.

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I will buy the extended version in HFR if they sell it that way. Otherwise, I will buy the extended version in "SFR" (in other words, I would rather buy an SFR extended release than an HFR theatrical release, but I would most like to buy an HFR extended release).

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I would, but I don't know how they'll be releasing it.

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Bd does not support it
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Bd does not support it
Please see the first post, it says "assuming they add this format to the Blu-ray specs".

Here's a quote from Andy Parsons of the BDA back in October:
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Andy Parsons: The BDA recently decided to form a new task force to study just this sort of possibility. It's called the format extension study task force, and it will do exactly what its name suggests: to study new technologies such as 4K, high frame rate, color enhancements etc. Each technology that will be studied needs to be evaluated to determine technical feasibility, market demand, and potential impact on the installed base of Blu-ray players already in the marketplace...
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Bd does not support it

It probably could if they converted to 60i.

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It probably could if they converted to 60i.
Yes, that would give a high field rate, though it wouldn't currently allow HFR 3D (unless they added the 3D in a way that isn't currently a BD standard, eg. side by side, cutting the horizontal resolution in half. They could currently do 720p60 in 3D. But this poll is about 1080p 48 fps (ie. with a change to the specs) - Andy Parsons of the BDA has said that high frame rates are one of the things the Format Extension Study Task Force are looking into.
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Please see the first post, it says "assuming they add this format to the Blu-ray specs".
Here's a quote from Andy Parsons of the BDA back in October:

That would be in the new BD spec that Sony was working on for the 4k format and would require a new player
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That would be in the new BD spec that Sony was working on for the 4k format and would require a new player
Yes, the BDA (not just Sony) has a task force is looking into 4K, high frame rates, and colour enhancements. It doesn't necessarily mean if they change the specs we'll have all 3 together + 3D (though I hope it does). Though the Hobbit wasn't mastered at 4K - only 2K.
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I'm thinking it may be included as some kind of bonus disc, a file playable on computer rather than set-top. The BD release will probably just be 24p 3D, which I'll still pick up regardless.

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I would totally buy it at 48 fps if I could. I fully expect 48p, 60p, and 4K movies to be available in some form for the home within five years. Most likely via a new quad layer "Blu-ray 2" disc.

If the BDA (and any other participating standards-setting companies) are smart, they'll go all the way and fully support UHDTV in their new specifications (enough bandwidth to allow for an 8K movie at 120 fps, or at least a firm roadmap to get to it with minimal pain on the part of consumers). No one will be releasing anything at that resolution and frame rate any time soon, but it would be better to add the capability early, so we don't have to go through the whole Blu-ray revisions thing again.

An interesting hypothetical: 48 fps is available in the home, and a "complete Tolkien" box set with Hobbit 1-3 + LOTR is coming out. In the 48 fps boxes, do they upscale LOTR to 48 fps to match The Hobbit, using the highest quality interpolation processing available? I hate motion interpolation built into TVs, partly because I'm a believer in original director vision, but partially because that smoothing effect is never uniform. With pre-generated interpolated frames it would be fully consistent. Hmm...
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I'm thinking it may be included as some kind of bonus disc, a file playable on computer rather than set-top. The BD release will probably just be 24p 3D, which I'll still pick up regardless.
That's not a bad guess.

It might be something along the lines of the T2 DVD set that had the HD version for computers.


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I'd buy it mainly just for the novelty of it. I don't feel the need to have it look consistent with the LOTR trilogy.
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It will be 24p on bd and one of Warners first next gen discs to make you triple dip on the next format.
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It will be 24p on bd and one of Warners first next gen discs to make you triple dip on the next format.
Surely the next generation discs (ie. those using updated version of the Blu-ray specs) will also be known as "Blu-ray", or have "Blu-ray" in the title eg. "Blu-ray 4K" or "Blu-ray UHD", since it's the BDA (Blu-ray Disc Association) that will do any updating of the specs.
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Where did I say it wouldn't have it in the title?
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Where did I say it wouldn't have it in the title?
Well you did say it wiill be "24p on Blu-ray" and "on one of Warners first next gen discs..."
Both will likely be "Blu-ray", though it sounded like you meant (by making the distiction between Blu-ray and next gen discs) that the latter (the "next gen discs") weren't "Blu-ray".
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They won't be bluray, they are another format with backwards compatibility with bluray in the name.
An SACD is not a CD but has CD in the title.
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They won't be bluray, they are another format with backwards compatibility with bluray in the name.
An SACD is not a CD but has CD in the title.
In your opinion is a 3D Blu-ray a Blu-ray? Surely when something is part of the Blu-ray specifications (the format has been extended to include extra video formats etc), then it's then Blu-ray.

1920x1080p24 3D, 720p60 3D, 720p50 3D are now part of the Blu-ray specs, making them part of Blu-ray.
If 4K, and 1080p48 and more get added to the Blu-ray specs, surely they will also then be Blu-ray, not just some other format with Blu-ray in the name.

Surely if it complies with the Blu-ray specs, it's Blu-ray (or a particular type of one). If it doesn't, it's not.
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I did not care for the Hobbit when I saw it in the theater so I will not be buying the movie, but if a movie I liked came out in a 48 and 24 fps combo pack, I'd definitely get it.

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I had family members who are usually bothered by 3D claim that the 48 fps presentation of The Hobbit was the first 3D film they could watch comfortably and enjoy.


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I might be interested, but only if there was a 2D 48fps version.
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Didn't like the HFR version, would rather get the 24p version but in reality I didn't enjoy the film so I might not get it.

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It's all speculation... you won't see 48 fps added to regular Blu-ray specs. I don't even think current HDTV's can support that frame rate, as is. They have to have new HDMI circuitry and have HFR modes included, which the standards group has updated for 4k and 8k support for 2013.

I don't doubt 4k Blu-ray (or whatever they call it) will have 48 fps and 60 fps HFR added, along with 3D. The sticking point is: will they jam everything on a BD50 and call it a day, or will they raise both the capacity and bitrates of the discs to allow for true 10 bit, 4:2:2 or better video streams along with everything else? Modern consumer TV's already can handle up to a 12 bit, 4:4:4 gamut, there just isn't any content outside of a production studio.

And will the BDA add object oriented surround standards like Dolby Atmos or DTS/SRS's version of object oriented sound mixing besides standard DTS-MA and Dolby TrueHD encoded tracks with traditional channels? If so, how many discrete channel beds? How many individual objects will be supported? At what resolution? Bit for bit lossless?

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Not to stray too far off topic, but I'm really looking forward to the avatar sequels in HFR. I wonder if Cameron can go back and re-release the original avatar in a HFR version. I know cameron HATES to issue redundant releases, but maybe just this once.... cool.gif
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Not to stray too far off topic, but I'm really looking forward to the avatar sequels in HFR. I wonder if Cameron can go back and re-release the original avatar in a HFR/interpolated version. I know cameron HATES to issue redundant releases, but maybe just this once.... cool.gif
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I don't even think current HDTV's can support that frame rate, as is. They have to have new HDMI circuitry and have HFR modes included, which the standards group has updated for 4k and 8k support for 2013.
I thought there was supposed to be an update to the HDMI standard in the 2nd half of this year. Are you saying that HDMI have updated their standards or that they will do in 2013 or that HDTVs are now supporting modes that aren't yet officially standard modes in the HDMI specs?
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Video games can be played at 1080p60 in 3D, so there's certainly some TVs that can do it, and they're definitely getting the signal from somewhere.

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Video games can be played at 1080p60 in 3D, so there's certainly some TVs that can do it, and they're definitely getting the signal from somewhere.

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