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post #91 of 480 Old 03-08-2013, 06:05 PM
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Naturally you can find blu-rays on Amazon for a good price in the $17-$20 range. But a quick scan also list's "The Hobbit @ $25.99, Les Miserables @ $23.99, Lincoln @ $26.99, Zero Dark Thirty @ $28.99, Shindlers List @ $22.99 Django Unchained @ $22.99, Wreck it Ralph @ $27.99. If it's a big release movie that I want to see I prefer not to wait 2 or 3 years for it hit the $10 price. I may be dead by then.

Just as a random response to your reply, though...

The Wal-Mart ad for next week has their special DigiBook edition of Hobbit for $22.96... and I suspect you'll be able to get a non-special edition somewhere for around $19.99.

Also... Wreck-It Ralph was $19.99 on Amazon and Target (with other stores like Best Buy price-matching) and Disney/Scott issued a $7 off coupon... so my copy of Wreck-It Ralph was brand new on release day for $12.99 + tax.

Deals can be had even early on many movies if you are a smart shopper.

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I just shopped at Costco and pretty much all recent blu-rays were in the $22-$26 range.
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It's important to note that release week always has a $5 discount for each format. Once Sunday rolls around full price is back in effect.

Now that target and worst buy are price matching amazon, it will be interesting to see how competitive the disc market will get. Deep Discount was another favorite store after amazon for discs.
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I find Blu-Ray pricing rather fair. New release DVDs generally float between $15-$18, $20-$23 for Blu-Ray, and $26-$30 for 3D titles during the week of release. 2D titles usually go up $5 after that and 3D titles, as much as $10. Disney and Criterion are usually outliers insofar as pricing; Disney because they're, well...Disney, and Criterion because they release harder-to-find movies and do meticulous restoration work, liner notes, and packaging. Even so, Disney issues release-week coupons for many titles and Criterion discs can be had for 50% off a couple times a year.

When you factor in the improved video quality, lossless audio, embossed slipcovers, and (usually) tons of extras that are omitted from DVDs, I'm honestly surprised that some releases aren't priced higher. When, at any other point in time, has anyone been able to own a reference (or near-reference) video/audio presentation of their favorite film for $20? 'Rip-off" is a phrase people love to throw around when companies are making profit, and in the case of this thread I find it grossly misapplied. Even if it doesn't cost a studio extra to include a Dolby TrueHD track over a 5.1 DD track, why would you expect not to pay a premium for it? i spent more than the average person on my TV, and poured even more into my audio system. $20-$25 to fully realize the performance potential of what I own is not that bad in comparison to what I spent on everything else. Studios are not in this for charity, and I find the pricing structure to be pretty reasonable. What I find more a rip-off is iTunes charging $15 to own a "1080p" bit-starved digital copy with lossy audio when I can get the disc with artwork, extras, and all for $5-$7 more.

A little off-topic, but I find people also expect too much for too little when catalog titles hit blu-ray. They want a flawless, fully-remastered, fresh transfer of their favorite movie from 20-30 years ago, and they want it for $10 or $12. Perfect example of this is the new Roger rabbit Blu hitting this Tuesday...scanning Blu-Ray.com, you'll see many complaining that Disney didn't do enough, didn't re-composite optical shots, etc etc. when the disc is only selling for $17 during release week, and you'll see many whining that they'll wait until it's between $12-$15 to buy. Seriously? Ugh.

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A little off-topic, but I find people also expect too much for too little when catalog titles hit blu-ray. They want a flawless, fully-remastered, fresh transfer of their favorite movie from 20-30 years ago, and they want it for $10 or $12. Perfect example of this is the new Roger rabbit Blu hitting this Tuesday...scanning Blu-Ray.com, you'll see many complaining that Disney didn't do enough, didn't re-composite optical shots, etc etc. when the disc is only selling for $17 during release week, and you'll see many whining that they'll wait until it's between $12-$15 to buy. Seriously? Ugh.

Isn't that what the consumer was promised amid all the hype and promotion of 'hi-def' DVD's?? wink.gif
Not to mention the 'alternate viewing angles' split screens, etc etc etc...

Reading over the last few posts, I still maintain that buying used is the way to go. I see no reason to have a film the nano-second it's released, so waiting a while pays off.
I buy mine at Hastings where the last sale was buy used BR's at regular prices, get 2 for 2.00. I picked up 8 BR titles for 45.00 inc tax.
Also bought all 3 LOTR titles (not the trilogy) from Amazon for 5.00 each. Why pay more? biggrin.gif
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Really people? Blu-ray is too expensive? Huh, I remember VHS tapes running for $79.95 at release...I'm very happy with blu-ray prices.
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Really people? Blu-ray is too expensive? Huh, I remember VHS tapes running for $79.95 at release...I'm very happy with blu-ray prices.

I also remember when the first home VHS VCR's came out - they were ~600 bones and were the size of a suitcase.
My dad bought one from Radio Shack and had it for years....thing weighed like 40 pounds!

These days 600.00 can get ya a DVD HTIB and an LCD TV - or any variation of.
It obviously won't be IMAX material, but it's quite a bang for the buck compared to that behemoth top loading VCR.... smile.gif
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they were ~600 bones and were the size of a suitcase.

In early 1985 I paid ≈ $1100.00 ($2354.00 in 2013 $s) for my Sony SL-HF900 βeta Hi-Fi machine.

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In early 1985 I paid ≈ $1100.00 ($2354.00 in 2013 $s) for my Sony SL-HF900 βeta Hi-Fi machine.


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I don't feel bluray prices are too high nor do I feel that studio's are "gouging" anyone either. Most blurays I've bought in the last 6 months were at the $20 mark and that being around $5 higher than the dvd counterpart, I gladly pay that for better picture and sound. The Pixar titles tend to always be higher, ($5-$8 more) but I guess that's just how it is with them. I have no clue what their post-production costs are or what their business model looks like, but they do an awesome job on all the bluray titles I've bought so far so I really don't mind at all.
The cost to produce an actual bluray disc doesn't matter, the cost of producing the master disc is where all the money gets tied up. From the video engineers, audio techs, and everyone else that has a hand in it, every studio could have more or less money tied up in the production, so I can see why the prices can be up or down. From all the work that goes in to it I feel that $20-$25 for most titles is fine with me......
But as far as the cost of blurays going up.....Well a lot of things have been going up from what I seen, from food to tires, prices have steadily been going up over the last 2-3 years. Even iTunes music mp3's, most used to be .99 now it seems like its $1.29 for new releases.
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Oh look, folks don’t realize what a bargain today’s electronics really is. Below is some other items with the actual purchase price. If inflation adjusted... Still using the Crown DC–300 (41 years old), Hafler Amps (31 years old). Used the AJ–1510 for 30 years, etc. so I got my moneys worth on most audio/video items. Computer items are another story.

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Panasonic VHS Hi–Fi – $700 – 1988
Panasonic DMP-BD10 Blu-ray Player - $1050 - 2006
Sony DVD Player DVP–S7000 – $1000 – 1997
JVC HM–DH30000U D–VHS – $500 – 2003
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Crown IC–150 Pre–Amp – $300 – 1972
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Panasonic DMP-BDT220 Blu-ray Player - $115 - 2012 – Is 3D capable, streams, media player, etc. and much faster than older units.
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A buddy of mine has the S7000 player that he spent $1000 on. He also still has a Hafler amp in his system. Do you remember how much that set you back?
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I just shopped at Costco and pretty much all recent blu-rays were in the $22-$26 range.

Costco is almost always overpriced - I rarely purchase my blu-rays there.

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A buddy of mine has the S7000 player that he spent $1000 on. He also still has a Hafler amp in his system. Do you remember how much that set you back?

My first decent "home theater" setup:

25" Sony TV + Quasar stereo (NOT Hi-Fi) VCR + kit built Hafler Pre-amp and 100 watt/side power amp + original M&K satellite and Volkswoofer speakers.
I thought it was pretty good at the time . . . eek.gif

But the music in this setup using my ADC turntable base and tonearm + Shure V15 Type 5 to play half speed mastered virgin vinyl LPs was terrific. cool.gif

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CDs, and disc media, is coming to its end of life too.

What about recordable disc media? Hopefully they continue to make BD-R and DVD-R for a few more years.
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He also still has a Hafler amp in his system. Do you remember how much that set you back?

IIRC, it was in the $400.00 range for the DH-200 in kit form. Have two DH-120's but not sure of their price.
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What about recordable disc media? Hopefully they continue to make BD-R and DVD-R for a few more years.

I would not pay any attention to this kind of internet drivel. Stamped disc has been with us for quite some time and for good reason: cheap to make and fast to produce. AFAIK there is no technology on the horizon to replace it.
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I would not pay any attention to this kind of internet drivel. Stamped disc has been with us for quite some time and for good reason: cheap to make and fast to produce. AFAIK there is no technology on the horizon to replace it.

Yeah, I posted on Neowin.net and asked people there to recommend a good DVD authoring software and everyone just replied saying, "Why are you burning DVDs? DVD is old school. You should just play your video files from a hard drive or USB flash drive." People are in such a rush to push physical media into obsolescence. Not sure why.

I don't see video files running off a HD or SSD anytime soon. It's going to encourage too much piracy. At least with physical media, there is copy protection, which keeps it somewhat under control.
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Yeah, I posted on Neowin.net and asked people there to recommend a good DVD authoring software and everyone just replied saying, "Why are you burning DVDs? DVD is old school. You should just play your video files from a hard drive or USB flash drive." People are in such a rush to push physical media into obsolescence. Not sure why.

I don't see video files running off a HD or SSD anytime soon. It's going to encourage too much piracy. At least with physical media, there is copy protection, which keeps it somewhat under control.

Having previously burned 100s of DVDs in the past, I can tell you I haven't touched a disc in ages. I have 1000s of Bluray files on a media server. I own maybe 25 physical BD discs in total, with only future purchases on 3D. I also just transferred the equivalent of 150 BD discs onto a friend's laptop, which took up 250GB of space.

Anyone who doesn't believe disc media is coming extremely close to its end of life is in denial.
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I would not pay any attention to this kind of internet drivel. Stamped disc has been with us for quite some time and for good reason: cheap to make and fast to produce. AFAIK there is no technology on the horizon to replace it.

I will be sure to quote this in the very near future.
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Costco is almost always overpriced - I rarely purchase my blu-rays there.

Costco used to be more competitive. I've been a member there almost 12 years, and my original reason for becoming a member was the cheap DVDs. I specifically remember the Stanley Kubrick boxset that came out in 2001. I believe the retail price was $179. Costco was selling it for $119. In my mind, the price savings was the cost of membership, so I immediately became a member. I wound up using that boxset money on other purchases there. Luckily I didn't buy that boxset as I later discovered DVD authoring and saved a ton of money.

Eventually I would buy all my writable disc media from Costco. They always had the greatest deals on TDK CD-R packages (50 discs with jewel cases) for $20, and 25 pack DVD-Rs for $25 (these used to cost $40 everywhere else). Anyone who authored hardcore back then will remember that TDK was the most stable brand for discs, and DVD-R was the most compatible format to use for DVD playback. Ah, the good old days!
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Having previously burned 100s of DVDs in the past, I can tell you I haven't touched a disc in ages. I have 1000s of Bluray files on a media server. I own maybe 25 physical BD discs in total, with only future purchases on 3D. I also just transferred the equivalent of 150 BD discs onto a friend's laptop, which took up 250GB of space.

Anyone who doesn't believe disc media is coming extremely close to its end of life is in denial.
I will be sure to quote this in the very near future.

Just because you haven't touched a disc in ages, it doesn't mean other people are the same way.
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Costco is almost always overpriced - I rarely purchase my blu-rays there.

I do hope you're just joking around. IMHO, Costco has the best prices on ANYTHING. They're a wholesaler, so everything there is cheap.
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The best media I bought at Costco was probably the inkjet printable Sony DVD+R media they carried for quite a while. But now they've switched to non-printable TDK, so no media purchases occur at Costco either.
Costco does still have good pricing on boxsets at times, but new releases are never priced attractively anymore.
Both my HDTVs came from there though - they seem to carry decent quality TVs at attractive prices with their extended warranty (although neither of these sets have ever had a problem - come to think of it - I haven't had a TV fail in at least 25 years - probably why Costco gives the extended warranty . .).

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I do hope you're just joking around. IMHO, Costco has the best prices on ANYTHING. They're a wholesaler, so everything there is cheap.

I have been a member and customer at Costco for many years. We do a fair amount of purchasing there.
But you need to stop drinking the Costco Kool-Aid and do some decent price comparisons once in a while - everything there is most definitely not the cheapest.

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I have been a member and customer at Costco for many years. We do a fair amount of purchasing there.
But you need to stop drinking the Costco Kool-Aid and do some decent price comparisons once in a while - everything there is most definitely not the cheapest.

If you ever go to Costco, everyone there buys everything in sight and fills up their shopping cart like there's no tomorrow. The reason they do that is because everything there is cheap. If stuff there was expensive as you claim it is, then people wouldn't be shopping the way they do. Trust me, everything there is cheap. The only reason it looks expensive is because things are sold in bulk. So, they sell at a higher price. But if you do the math, you're paying a lot less if you bought the same quantity from a supermarket.
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If we are going to discuss the Costco phenomenon, then I might as well interject that while the prices are cheap, they usually maintain superb quality. I find some of the meat deals are better purchased at Sam's, but for everything else Costco reigns. I just bought my girlfriend a pair of Lucky Brand jeans for $30, which retail for $80. I try to purchase as much as possible from Costco. The return policy is also world class. I don't know any other place that will take back a 7-year-old used coat and refund full price. smile.gif

I think Rich86's point that BDs are not competitively priced is accurate. Costco maintains that $19-$20 price for discs for the life of the movie, where prices rarely get lowered, especially on new releases. There is no "release week pricing" like there is at other retailers like BB, Target, etc. The price is fixed for a very long time, or until the title is sold out and not replaced. In this regard, Costco's disc pricing model is stuck in the old DVD days where most discs were $25, so $19 seemed like a great deal. These days, not so much.
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Just because you haven't touched a disc in ages, it doesn't mean other people are the same way.

Agreed, but my response was to your quote:

"I don't see video files running off a HD or SSD anytime soon. It's going to encourage too much piracy. At least with physical media, there is copy protection, which keeps it somewhat under control."

I'm merely telling you that your statement is the complete opposite of what is happening in reality. Sure a 25GB file seems like a lot, but not when you can have a perfect 1 to 1 copy of a BD. I can carry a portable 2TB drive that is the same size as my iPhone which will store 100 perfect BD copies. That certainly beats placing that many discs in a shopping bag, if they even fit.
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I think BD prices are fair for new releases. Sometimes I think they are high and sometimes I think it's a decent deal. Usually I'll check Walmart, Target, Best Buy, and Amazon and have BB match the best price. I think below $20 is pretty good, I don't think a new release sale price over $23 is much of a deal. The only exception is a 3D release which I think $28 is my max price limit. I do wonder if distrubutors would make it cheaper or not to just have the BD disc buy itself. And I like Criterion's point of view that the format doesn't matter which is why their DVDs and BDs are the same price. For new releases what are mastered in at least high def, does the disc medium really cost $2-$5 more? I don't think so. So in that regard, it shouldn't matter what format you want because either way I think the same processes would be performed to convert the "Master" to DVD or BD quality.
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Originally Posted by SergeantYnot View Post

Agreed, but my response was to your quote:

"I don't see video files running off a HD or SSD anytime soon. It's going to encourage too much piracy. At least with physical media, there is copy protection, which keeps it somewhat under control."

I'm merely telling you that your statement is the complete opposite of what is happening in reality. Sure a 25GB file seems like a lot, but not when you can have a perfect 1 to 1 copy of a BD. I can carry a portable 2TB drive that is the same size as my iPhone which will store 100 perfect BD copies. That certainly beats placing that many discs in a shopping bag, if they even fit.

Most of us have over 100 BDs. Where do you suppose we store those excess movies? Buy another HD?? You do realize that manufacturing those thin, flat plastic frisbees are A LOT cheaper than manufacturing a HD. And HDs can fail and crash whereas discs will NEVER fail so long as you handle them with care.
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