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post #31 of 34 Old 06-20-2013, 04:35 PM
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Reminds me of the totally epic DD track on the Japanese Phantom Menace laserdisc. BASS!!!

I haven't picked up the Shadow on BD yet but I do have the full-bitrate DTS dvd of it and boy was that a whopper of a mix. At least at the time. I will try and compare them when I get the BD.


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So I got a chance to watch my copy. First off it's not perfect (surprise) , also there are more recent films that look worse on disc. The transfer is on the softer side but it's obvious that there is real detail in it's film source and it does look high -def. What detail there is looks natural. It's looks like film, it's photographic looking. The transfer is good enough that all of the matte backdrops are very evident. There are some edge problems but mostly you won't see them if you are not looking for them. I read the picture issues on blu ray.com and a lot of what is noted I did not see. Color is natural not sickly. Sound is good and is directional at times, flying bullets, flying arrows. I never heard any dialogue issues either.
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Take for instance the Jurassic Park DTS Laserdisc. It used the ORIGINAL theatrical mix designed specifically to take advantage of the DTS system debuting with JP... and that motherf--ker blew a lot of speakers in its day (the mix was hot)! The bass was stupendous and the surrounds were jacked up and more enveloping like modern film tracks as well. That LD is definitely a classic.

True, the LD used the original mix. The only speakers blown were probably speakers inadequate for a modern 5.1 digital sound mix. Not the fault of the mix, the fault of the installer.

The original mix for JP is a work of art. And on a properly tuned and equipped system, it is very very pleasing even at reference level. The LD only messed up in setting the sub and surround levels a few dB too high in accordance with cinematic DTS standards. On a few early DTS LDs, one needs to adjust your processor accordingly. Apollo 13 and the Shadow have the same problem. Once adjusted, they are glorious.

The new mix on the Jurassic Park Blu-rays, 2D and 3D, are pathetic by comparison to the original.
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True, the LD used the original mix. The only speakers blown were probably speakers inadequate for a modern 5.1 digital sound mix. Not the fault of the mix, the fault of the installer.

The original mix for JP is a work of art. And on a properly tuned and equipped system, it is very very pleasing even at reference level. The LD only messed up in setting the sub and surround levels a few dB too high in accordance with cinematic DTS standards. On a few early DTS LDs, one needs to adjust your processor accordingly. Apollo 13 and the Shadow have the same problem. Once adjusted, they are glorious.

The new mix on the Jurassic Park Blu-rays, 2D and 3D, are pathetic by comparison to the original.

I liked the increased surround levels, which actually helped rather than hindered that mix. It was the crispy treble frequencies not re-EQ'd for home systems that were a big problem for most home speaker systems in the 90's (I heard a lot of complaints from home theater installers). The T-Rex roar and the Raptor screeches would make your ears practically bleed at reference (the dialog was quite brittle too). That's what I meant by the recording being hot. The DTS guys and Spielberg (a part owner of DTS) wanted a soundtrack fit for an IMAX auditorium.

Listen up, studios! Just say "NO" to DNR and EE!!
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