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post #541 of 909 Old 06-29-2013, 12:08 PM
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Do you guys get the server even with the 55" and 65" sets?
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Do you guys get the server even with the 55" and 65" sets?

No. It has to be purchased separately.
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Well, at least y'all have got something like that available. I'm sooooo glad that it's got separate HDMIs for picture and sound though, kudos to Sony for realising that not everyone's receivers will have 4K-capable HDMI's (unlike what happened with 3D players early on; Sony only got around to releasing a dual HDMI BD player last year!).
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I bought a few of these. Angels and Demons is the only one where I have the original blu-ray release to compare. The new 'Mastered in 4K' is definitely improved. There is more detail and depth to the image. The color appears to be a little better and more accurate to the original source as well. However, I would say the overall improvement is only on the order of about 15-20%. It more or less just appears to be an exceptionally well mastered and transferred blu-ray (i.e. what the original release and really every blu-ray release should be).
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If sony sells enough of these...can 4k blurays come out soon...so far the ps4 can't make 4k games but 4k blurays and digital movies will do
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Sony won't sell many of these because people clamoring for UHD will want real 4k content. This is only Blu-ray as it should have been: carefully mastered with high bitrates.

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Yeah, but many studios, more than half of them, don't produce BD they way they're supposed to to begin with anyway. That includes some Disney titles, most Warner, MPI, eOne releases.

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Yeah, but many studios, more than half of them, don't produce BD they way they're supposed to to begin with anyway. That includes some Disney titles, most Warner, MPI, eOne releases.

Ironically, Sony's original release masterings are among the best, so the '4K treatment' benefits their titles the least.
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So true. Yet, however, especially if you use 65" and/or projection viewed at THX optimum distance (NOT optimum range), you still can see anywhere between slight to marked difference between the original disc vs MI4K edition.

With The Amazing Spider-Man still being the worst biggrin.gif

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Yet, however, especially if you use 65" and/or projection viewed at THX optimum distance (NOT optimum range), you still can see anywhere between slight to marked difference between the original disc vs MI4K edition.

I agree these are worth getting for the improvement. It's also nice the catalog titles are being offered a regular rather than premium prices. I'm interested in MIB and Moneyball when they come out.
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These are from a smartphone and obviously not intended to show any differences in resolution, (which the 4K release greatly improves on, btw), but rather the altered colour palette on the new release.


Mastered in 4K


Original Transfer
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Huh, wouldn't 2 be from a 2K DI? But yeah, the original Blu-ray left a bit to be desired. I saw what looked like black crush as well last time I viewed it.
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These are from a smartphone and obviously not intended to show any differences in resolution, (which the 4K release greatly improves on, btw), but rather the altered colour palette on the new release.


Mastered in 4K


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I certainly see less contrast on the 4K.
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Let's hope these are good. I have both on order.
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How does MIB look?
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Considering the original transfer was rather bad, I think the only way is up wink.gif
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I certainly see less contrast on the 4K.
Look at the dish basket on the counter by the sink....

Contrast seems too peaked on the original version and there is a pinkish cast. The 4K seems more film-like and more neutral colors.

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Contrast seems too peaked on the original version and there is a pinkish cast. The 4K seems more film-like and more neutral colors.
Looking at the screenshots, there is a lot more pink with the 4K (IMO).
Look at her unnaturally pink face.

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Huh, wouldn't 2 be from a 2K DI? But yeah, the original Blu-ray left a bit to be desired. I saw what looked like black crush as well last time I viewed it.

All the Spider-Man films have been made with 4K DIs and the three Raimi films had 2K VFX upscaled to go with the non-VFX shots. Sony used the Raimi films to promote their theatre chain (Loews was bought and turned into Sony Theatres for several years before it was sold off) and their 4K SXRD projectors.
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All the Spider-Man films have been made with 4K DIs and the three Raimi films had 2K VFX upscaled to go with the non-VFX shots. Sony used the Raimi films to promote their theatre chain (Loews was bought and turned into Sony Theatres for several years before it was sold off) and their 4K SXRD projectors.

Spider-Man 2 was the first movie with an all-4k DI (aside from the upscaled VFX, as you mentioned). The first Spider-Man originally had a 2k DI.

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Unfortunately, I think we'll be getting a lot of upscaled stuff for the time being. Not enough studios were transferring their 35mm film negatives archives to 4k for a few years, let alone 6k over-sampled digital pro files (as they actually should be scanned).

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Spider-Man 2 was the first movie with an all-4k DI (aside from the upscaled VFX, as you mentioned). The first Spider-Man originally had a 2k DI.

Yeah you're right but the VFX in 2 were actually output at 4K resolution by Sony Imageworks. The shots were down-sized to 2K and then up-scaled back to 4K because it wasn't practical to keep the entire film at 4K back then with the computing power that was needed. Now, Sony can easily handle it with their 4K end-to-end pipeline, so maybe we'll see a full 4K version of Spider-Man 2 in the not too distant future.
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Yeah you're right but the VFX in 2 were actually output at 4K resolution by Sony Imageworks. The shots were down-sized to 2K and then up-scaled back to 4K because it wasn't practical to keep the entire film at 4K back then with the computing power that was needed. Now, Sony can easily handle it with their 4K end-to-end pipeline, so maybe we'll see a full 4K version of Spider-Man 2 in the not too distant future.

Only if they put the time and effort into re-doing a full 4k Spider-Man 2. Sony seems more interested in rebooting the entire franchise. Sam Raimi, who?

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Looking at the screenshots, there is a lot more pink with the 4K (IMO).
Look at her unnaturally pink face.

I think her face is how it was intended, but look at the background wall behind her...more neutral in color now. No longer a pink wall.

Also, the contrast peaks are way too high making it look more like 'video' in the original release. The kitchen sink is almost blown out with contrast - more natural contrast in the new release in the whole shot.

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Considering the original transfer was rather bad, I think the only way is up wink.gif
Ugly-assed movie still looks ugly-assed.

The increase in detail is there, but so is remaining evidence of sharpening.

Unlike both Spideys and Ghostbusters, I'm not enthusiastic about this one at all.
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Is it really that bad?

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Perhaps that sounded a tad harsh.

It's an ugly film and remains that way. The increase in detail is appreciable, as is actual grain.
Personally, I think the haloing present here and there, are less to do with any digital shenanigans, than the contrasted look of the film.
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Caps-a-holic has several old BD vs 4K mastered BDs.

Men in Black showing the best improvement, The Other Guys a small improvement while The Karate Kid remake shows little improvement and Total Recall remake with no difference at all.

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I strongly disagree with regards to the Total Recall. The colour balance and detail on paused frame may be the same but motion resolution improved quite dramatically.

Besides, one can't determine quality based on screen caps. It's akin to comparing sound quality based on specifications paper.

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