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In this week's special edition of AVS Can't-Wait releases, I introduce Sony's "Mastered in 4K" Blu-rays set to be released later this year.

At this year's CES show in Las Vegas, there were many Ultra High-Definition televisions on display. But very few companies were able to answer the critical question, "Where's the content?" Among the few that did address this issue was Sony, which—aside from its 4K online-delivery service—displayed the cover art of future Blu-rays featuring Sony Pictures films shot or scanned at 4K and then downscaled to 1080p.




These discs will have only the feature content without any bells or whistles. In fact, they are somewhat like Superbit DVDs. Since there is little native 4K content on the market at this point, most UHD displays announced at the show will mostly upscale 1080p content, making the new Sony Blu-rays a good short-term solution.




All the titles below are set to be released on May 14, 2013. No pricing has been announced.
I'm curious to find out how well these new discs will stack up next to standard Blu-rays, and if they will be up to snuff for anyone with a UHD TV.


Angels & Demons



Video
Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 2.40:1
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

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Battle: Los Angeles



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Codec: TBA
Resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

Audio
TBA


Ghostbusters



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Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

Audio
TBA


Karate Kid



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Codec: TBA
Resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

Audio
TBA


The Other Guys



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Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 2.40:1
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

Audio
TBA


Spider-Man



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Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1
Original aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
TBA


Taxi Driver



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Codec: MPEG-4 AVC
Resolution: 1080p
Aspect ratio: 1.85:1
Original aspect ratio: 1.85:1

Audio
TBA


Total Recall



Video
Codec: TBA
Resolution: 1080p
Original aspect ratio: 2.39:1

Audio
TBA



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I see some double dips coming. I recently saw Ghostbusters at the Alamo Drafthouse in 4K on their amazing Christie projectors and it looked pretty remarkable for a 25+ year old film that never looked that good to begin with.

However, I would like to see some A/B comparisons between the "old" versions of these releases and the 4K versions to see how much of an improvement there really is on our current 1080P setups.
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Call me when ALL new releases of substance are getting this treatment. But a scattering of titles like the above is hardly anything to cheer about. Besides, they should be doing this as standard practice for all 1080P Blu Rays.

Granted on your typical 60" LED/plasma, there will be likely less to gain, but I'd like to see my own gains on my 14' wide screen. Looks like these will best benefit the front projection owners.

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Does Ghostbusters really have a new transfer?
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Whoa superbit flashback .. Why dint they just offer this in the first place , I really do not care about extras ... Ever (ok ok lord of the rings extended trilogy I cared). Also what a crappy selection .. They should be movies that deserve to be in fake 4k .. Only total recall and both Spider-Man's , the rest just don't need it great movies or not ..and some are just not

I am shocked they did not re re re re re re release the fifth element

Thou I did preorder the amazing Spider-Man from amazon just to compare it to the normal BD release on my new 65"VT60 .. No 4k for me yet
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Nope. Not going to buy any of these again since I already have the ones I wanted on Blu. By the time I end up getting a 4K TV or PJ the REAL 4K versions will be out.
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I think the real question should be, is this paving the way for physical 4K media on a dedicated player? Right now streaming/downloading 4K for most people over their anything but 4K ready Internet service is a pipe dream.
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Does Ghostbusters really have a new transfer?
It was officially confirmed by some Sony guy I believe.
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How much you want to bet 4K remastering doesn't help Ghostbusters? biggrin.gif
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Other major studios are doing exactly the same thing and have been for at least three years. Although I cannot name titles due to company policy I know that Paramount, Warner, NewLine, and MGM have all remastered classic titles in 4K. You may be able to find more online, try IMDB.

So there's a good chance you already have some 4K re-mastered BluRays on your shelf. This is nothing really new in the past three years, Sony is just advertising it to gain interest in 4K. The projects I was involved in were scanned (not telecined) at higher bit depths than BluRay or HDTV. These were also dirt fixed and re-filmed out to YCM separations for long term preservation.

Of course any new release that was shot digitally in 4K will have a BluRay mastered from that 4K data set. Also some films were mastered in 4K even back as far as 2006 - Black Dalia for example.

4K digital content is not that rare these days. It's just new to the consumer industry
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Any bets, Red Laser DVD Player will be were these will be going!?
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Wow, who chose these movies? Odd choices. I don't expect that Ghost Busters, Taxi Driver, or the Karate Kid will benefit at all but we will see. I'm very interested to see the comparison. I could have come up with a heck of a better list of movies that might benefit from 4K mastering (the 5th Element might be one) but this is just a little silly, IMHO.

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Wow, who chose these movies? Odd choices. I don't expect that Ghost Busters, Taxi Driver, or the Karate Kid will benefit at all but we will see. I'm very interested to see the comparison. I could have come up with a heck of a better list of movies that might benefit from 4K mastering (the 5th Element might be one) but this is just a little silly, IMHO.
Taxi Driver and the Karate Kid movie were already mastered in 4K, they'll probably be the same discs in new boxes. It's possible they might be new encodes of the same transfers but I wouldn't put money on it.
The only titles in the OP that would yield improvement are Ghostbusters and Spider-man, since everything else is made from a 4K DI to begin with.
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I may pick up Ghostbusters (it's only $15 on Amazon) to see if I can discern any difference from my standard BD copy. I see why they're doing this but it is misleading since many Blu-Rays are already made from a 4K scan.

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I recently saw Ghostbusters at the Alamo Drafthouse in 4K on their amazing Christie projectors and it looked pretty remarkable for a 25+ year old film that never looked that good to begin with.
 

Are you sure they were playing a 4K file? If so, how did you determine that? As far as I know, virtually all commercial cinemas play 2K files today, even on 4K projectors.


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I hear they come with a special green marker that you rub on the edges and it really enhances the picture and sound.
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Not sure I really understand all of the derision. It's a relatively new technology (new for the consumer), just like everything we currently use once was. Is the industry really supposed to lie down and conclude that they've gone as far as they can go and stop inventing new things?
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Am I the only one who thinks these are a bad idea? Why create confusion for the consumer in the emerging 4K market. Just to grab a few dollars before real 4K blu-ray arrives next year? Most good blu-ray transfers where already done from 4K scans, so why start putting it on the box now.
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Most good blu-ray transfers where already done from 4K scans, so why start putting it on the box now.
The important part is that some of the not-so-good blu-ray transfers are getting remastered reissues.
I don't get some of the posts in the threads about this. When Fox or Paramount remasters some crummy old transfer everyone's like "well that's nice". When Sony does the same thing and adds some kind of superbit-ish marketing sizzle, people get angry. Go figure confused.gif
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Contrary to the thread title, I CAN wait. Get it right the first time and don't go for the blatant double-dip. I don't like being a cynic but this reeks of Superbit all over again...

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Maybe I am missing something here, but these are still 1080p, NOT 4K, so this is still not a "short term solution" for people with 4K capable displays (I am not one). Sure, maybe we get some remastered (again) titles, but like was mentioned already, it really is just that... A better transfer to regular 1080p. Great for the mass population with 1080p devices, but just a marketing ploy to get suckers with money to double or triple dip.
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... Why create confusion for the consumer in the emerging 4K market. Just to grab a few dollars before real 4K blu-ray arrives next year? ...

What emerging 4K market?

And you actually believe that 4K Blu-ray will arrive next year?

I certainly have no trouble with this. No reasonable person will be confused by yet another label stuck on a product. I'm a bit mystified that anybody is bothered by this. It's not a big deal to get excited about but it's also nothing worth complaining about. There will be no true 4K Blu-rays for the consumer market. Maybe there will be a high end niche for such a product a few years down the road.

I've got the 4K GHOSTBUSTERS pre-ordered at amazon.ca for $10.49. It's not like they are charging a premium for these discs.. I can easily spend $30.00 on a Criterion disc. I don't see any reason to be bothered about paying eleven bucks or so for a plain BD from Sony with a snazzy banner on it. I've got no problem with Sony labelling their 4K mastered Blu-rays.
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They picked a lot of terrible movies to do this to, and I doubt it's even going to be a noticeable improvement as they are still 1080p...
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Il pick up one of these, prolly either Total Recall or Battle: LA, for comparative purposes of the original BD versions I already own. Gunna be interesting.

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The important part is that some of the not-so-good blu-ray transfers are getting remastered reissues.

Exactly. I'm very interested to see if GHOSTBUSTERS, GLORY and SPIDERMAN get a noticeable uptick in picture quality.

Given that Sony has announced a 4K delivery system to go online this summer, it's a pretty good bet that ALL of these titles will be available in true 4K in the not too distant future. In the meantime these new 1080p versions are nice to have.
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Are these really new discs? How do we know that it's not just a case of printing up new slipcovers for exisiting Blu-Ray titles that were scanned in 4k? Just like the academy slipcovers which pops up during award-seasons. I would like to see some sources for this information.
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The article states that only the feature content is included.....so I would assume that the audio and video bit-rates are going to be much higher. Anyone know if these are BD-50s?

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If Total Recall is going to have the same audio issues that the release last December had, then why bother? Sony, I'm still waiting for a firmware update for my Sony BDP-S790 that you guys said will fix this problem, that was nearly 6 months ago!!!

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Am I the only one who thinks these are a bad idea? Why create confusion for the consumer in the emerging 4K market. Just to grab a few dollars before real 4K blu-ray arrives next year? Most good blu-ray transfers where already done from 4K scans, so why start putting it on the box now.



Hi, I don't think it's about grabbing money, IMO it's about barely having any 4K media and they had to release something to keep the early 4K panel buyers happy for a little while anyway. What's actually out there to watch on your new panel? Pretty much nothing.
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