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Old 05-27-2013, 10:26 AM - Thread Starter
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I watched The Blob on Friday night and it looked fantastic. The blacks, detail, overall contrast,and especially the colors, were all just top notch. It escapes me how a film like The Blob which was at best a B film, even at the time, can look this great while The Great Escape looks drab,flat, colorless and digital looking.

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I watched The Blob on Friday night and it looked fantastic. The blacks, detail, overall contrast,and especially the colors, were all just top notch. It escapes me how a film like The Blob which was at best a B film, even at the time, can look this great while The Great Escape looks drab,flat, colorless and digital looking.

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The Great Escape was Fox and MGM, right? Why did MGM **** up GoldenEye after doing all the other Bond films justice? Why did Fox **** up Patton? Why did Fox **** up Predator? Do you really want to know why or are you just picking at the wound?

The answer pretty much boils down to laziness. mad.gif
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The Great Escape was Fox and MGM, right? Why did MGM **** up GoldenEye after doing all the other Bond films justice? Why did Fox **** up Patton? Why did Fox **** up Predator? Do you really want to know why or are you just picking at the wound?

The answer pretty much boils down to laziness. mad.gif

Well a real conern really is the position I see that it is just the age of the film and the fact that it really couldn't look better than this because it isn't a high profile release etc...and The Blob is all those things and less and looks spectacular. I feel that The Great Escape is not just neglected but negatively manipulated.

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Why do any number of good movies not look fantastic while others do?
TGE looks quite okay to me. Some issues, but nothing like you might imagine hearing some of the internet BS about it.
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Why do any number of good movies not look fantastic while others do?
TGE looks quite okay to me. Some issues, but nothing like you might imagine hearing some of the internet BS about it.

I'd say OK is an exaggeration personally. The Blob is an older low budget film is my point. It's almost as if the lower the budget the less work is done to it.

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The Blob is a 4K transfer off the negative done by Sony, I wouldn't sell it short (haven't seen the disc so can't comment about their relative merits).
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Why did MGM **** up GoldenEye after doing all the other Bond films justice?

Because the other Bonds do not have a frame glitch showing how good they would look without Lowry's standard dnr.
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The Blob is a 4K transfer off the negative done by Sony, I wouldn't sell it short (haven't seen the disc so can't comment about their relative merits).
Not selling the final product short it looks beautiful.


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Sony did a 4K transfer for Criterion for the 1958 version of The Blob? It's not a film Sony has anything to do with. Sounds odd.

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Sony did a 4K transfer for Criterion for the 1958 version of The Blob...which is not a film Sony has anything to do with. Sounds odd.
I don't think Sony paid for it but it was done at Sony Colorworks, like quite a few recent transfers Criterion have been involved with.
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as Mr Harris has said a million times , the more popular a movie was during its theatrical run , the more its negative was abused by making a gazillion prints.

therefore B Grade movies are more likely to have better elements
Plus Escape was full of dissolves and opticals and they'll always look dupey. And there are rumours that the blu ray didnt come from a 4k scan from the optimal source , I cant remember, but i think an interpositive was scanned
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Plus Escape was full of dissolves and opticals and they'll always look dupey.

And those opticals run for a really long time.

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I think the ones that run for a long time are chewed up parts of the negative that have been replaced with new negative created from color separations. UA apparently didn't take the best care of their film elements in the day.
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The Great Escape was released by United Artists, which tended to release films from a variety of producers and did not have a studio as such. I know many, many old UA films (and remember, it was started right after the First World War by Doug Fairbanks, Mary Pickford, DW Griffith and Charlie Chaplin), films that turn up on TCM, look like they are from dupes of dupes of dupes. Its not like they were in a position to take care of the elements for their films the way Warners or MGM or 20th Century Fox were.

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