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Releases today, buying!biggrin.gif
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Better check the audio encode. I checked out a copy a few days ago and there was no center channel audio.
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Better check the audio encode. I checked out a copy a few days ago and there was no center channel audio.

Wasn't it stereo to begin with? confused.gif
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I bought it yesterday, and while I haven't watched it yet, it's DTS-HD MA 2.1, apparently using the original sensurround mix. I will watch tonight...really curious about the image quality on this one.
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Cool. I missed this release.

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Better check the audio encode. I checked out a copy a few days ago and there was no center channel audio.

Wasn't it stereo to begin with? confused.gif


All the "2.1" mixes from Universal are like that.


2.1 in a 5.1 carrier.

The proper setting for sharpness is always0.
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Wish I could find a copy up here to check out:mad: BB and FS both showed it on their website but neither has any copies...
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All the "2.1" mixes from Universal are like that. 2.1 in a 5.1 carrier.

That's what I thought. It would be cool if they would convert the Sensurround LFE signal into a D-Box signal.
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Wish I could find a copy up here to check out:mad: BB and FS both showed it on their website but neither has any copies...
amazon.ca has it.

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amazon.ca has it.

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Thanks Larry, yes looks like I will have to get it shipped.
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Based on reviews at Amazon, it appears the BR does not have the additional stuff (Coral Sea battle, etc.) which if memory serves was actually added to pad out the TV version (may explain why this wasn't added if it created aspect ratio problems). Can anyone confirm that's the case?
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Based on reviews at Amazon, it appears the BR does not have the additional stuff (Coral Sea battle, etc.) which if memory serves was actually added to pad out the TV version (may explain why this wasn't added if it created aspect ratio problems). Can anyone confirm that's the case?

I have it, but have not watched it yet. Bonus features listed on case are:

The Making of Midway,
The Score of Midway,
Sensurround: The Sounds of Midway,
They Were There: Hosted by Charlton Heston,
Scenes Shot for the TV Version,
Photograph Montage,
Theatrical Trailer.

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Quality of the original WWII footage aside, this is an average looking transfer at best. It's inconsistent, at times detail looks fine, and at times it looks slightly above the quality of an upscaled dvd. The box says "remastered for your HDTV" but I'll take this statement with a grain of salt wink.gif It's still nice to have that film on Blu-ray, but a better release wouldn't have hurt. Having said that, I don't know what they have to work with in the first place - but this is not Lawrence Of Arabia that's for sure tongue.gif

And yes, this is the 132 mins. cut. The added footage is included in the extras.
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Thanks for the replies. That's weird that they evidently included the TV footage but didn't include it such that you can watch the entire film with the TV footage. That must be because of the AR issue.

Disappointed to hear the quality isn't all there either. Using LOA as comparison is interesting - I have that BR and it (and Ben Hur) are IMO the gold standards of "awesome picture quality."

I remember seeing Midway in the theater when it came out (I was a teenager at the time - shows my age). I thought the movie was good (even as a teenager I could somewhat appreciate the subplot of the young aviator and his Japanese girlfriend) with some fine footage, although I do remember one of the scenes of a B-17 (if memory serves) being very similar to a scene from Tora Tora Tora. When I much later found out they'd indeed used footage from old movies I was a bit disappointed. I also remember the Sensurround thing, which was basically subwoofers on steroids and while "good" I can't say I really liked it that much.

Thanks again for your input. Normally this would be a "must have" but I may wait and see if it hits the bargain bins during the Thanksgiving/Christmas periods.
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The BD has some of the footage shot for the TV version in the extras menu, but not anywhere near all of it. It originally aired over two nights in a 4 hour total block, so there would have been close to 50 mins added footage; the BD contains about 10 mins worth. The BD is the original theatrical cut, as it should. It would have been interesting if they had added a second disc with the 4X3 TV version in its entirety; and that goes double for "Earthquake". A couple of other Universal films from the period which were extensively reworked and/or expanded for TV airings were "Airport 1977" and Two Minute Warning".
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I watched this last night. As others have said, average looking at best. Interesting to see a few "funny" things here and there. The crash of Heston's character was a jet fighter not a WW II prop plane and the end titles the water running out of the carrier alternates pouring out then running back in.

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The BD has some of the footage shot for the TV version in the extras menu, but not anywhere near all of it. It originally aired over two nights in a 4 hour total block, so there would have been close to 50 mins added footage; the BD contains about 10 mins worth. The BD is the original theatrical cut, as it should. It would have been interesting if they had added a second disc with the 4X3 TV version in its entirety; and that goes double for "Earthquake". A couple of other Universal films from the period which were extensively reworked and/or expanded for TV airings were "Airport 1977" and Two Minute Warning".
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I watched this last night. As others have said, average looking at best. Interesting to see a few "funny" things here and there. The crash of Heston's character was a jet fighter not a WW II prop plane and the end titles the water running out of the carrier alternates pouring out then running back in.

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"Average at best" for the "whole" film?
There are multiple sources usED; i doubt the film is "consistent" & reviews state the PQ varies.
Sure military sources aren't going too lOOk as good as sources shot specifically for this movie; however shots like closeups should 'shine' w/this new release.
"Average at best" sounds like it just lOOks as good as the DVD, that isn't the case is it?
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How is the 2.1 mix (in 5.1 layout) compared to the DVDs Dolby 1.1 mix? Is the LFE louder this time around?

Are there any other English audio mixes on this disc?

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"Average at best" sounds like it just lOOks as good as the DVD, that isn't the case is it?

Well I certainly don't want to put words in Art's mouth, but to me an "average at best" Blu-ray is still superior to a dvd, but as a whole, it's kinda disappointing. Some close-ups looks really good (I'm not saying great), but the film for example, shows obvious signs of dirt and damage here and there, and that doesn't include the original footage used in certain sequences.). So to me, it may be more detailed than a dvd (and color tones look fine by the way), but as a "high definition" disc, it's what I'd call average yes. I have no idea about the source that was used so I'm not particularly "blaming" Universal, but this release is, only, acceptable. With that said, I'm a fan of this type of movies, so I'm happy to have it nonetheless.
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Yes better than DVD , I'm not sure where one would call an average BD transfer no better than a DVD , not from me.

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Are you calculating w/commercials?

Yes, at the time the networks only had about 12 mins of ads per hour. If you allow for "scenes from tomorrow " and "scenes from part one" kind of thing they used to do it might clock in at a bit less, but there is a lot that is the version I recorded off TBS years ago that is not on the BD.
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Well I certainly don't want to put words in Art's mouth, but to me an "average at best" Blu-ray is still superior to a dvd, but as a whole, it's kinda disappointing. Some close-ups looks really good (I'm not saying great), but the film for example, shows obvious signs of dirt and damage here and there, and that doesn't include the original footage used in certain sequences.). So to me, it may be more detailed than a dvd (and color tones look fine by the way), but as a "high definition" disc, it's what I'd call average yes. I have no idea about the source that was used so I'm not particularly "blaming" Universal, but this release is, only, acceptable. With that said, I'm a fan of this type of movies, so I'm happy to have it nonetheless.
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Yes better than DVD , I'm not sure where one would call an average BD transfer no better than a DVD , not from me.

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Yes, at the time the networks only had about 12 mins of ads per hour. If you allow for "scenes from tomorrow " and "scenes from part one" kind of thing they used to do it might clock in at a bit less, but there is a lot that is the version I recorded off TBS years ago that is not on the BD.
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Finally received my copy, looking forward to a viewing this evening.
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At first I thought you guys were complaining about the old film where the sea battle was only listened to over the radio by the crew, 'A Wing and a Prayer' I think. Anyway what little I have seen of caps looks ok considering it's Universal. Has noticeable sharping artifacts which is the norm for Universal.i
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