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Unlike many people who have viewed and enjoyed this film I find it slow moving and acted in a stilted manner. I felt that a number of close ups lingered too long...especially on young Joey. Earlier westerns that I enjoyed...Red River, Duel in the Sun and westerns of the fifties such as The Searchers and The Big Country all have their faults but for me they are more enjoyable films...

I say this knowing that in many quarters SHANE is considered a classic.

However, one must admit that the Blu ray is indeed stunning.
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What do you mean by dated film?

No super-action, lack of explosions, slow pace, lots of talking, you know...
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No super-action, lack of explosions, slow pace, lots of talking, you know...

OK, then Shane is not the movie for you.
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OK, then Shane is not the movie for you.

No nudity or torture porn either, I mean, come on...
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No nudity or torture porn either, I mean, come on...

So from the current batch of movies available, which one(s) met your preferences?
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No super-action, lack of explosions, slow pace, lots of talking, you know...
Well as far as explosions go, I've never heard the gunshots in Shane be so explosively loud. They really reverberated in my HT. as for the film itself, heck the ending alone is considered to one of THE best of all time. The film is filled with iconic moments and performances. True, Shane certainly isn't The Avengers but boy am I glad it's not.

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So from the current batch of movies available, which one(s) met your preferences?

A not 'dated' version would have the story goes as such:

Shane arrives at the ranch and beds the Kid's mother and older sister, then goes into town drunk to the whorehouse. After waking up beside a 'lady of the night' Shane finds his Muttins missing so he tortures a local baddie to discover his dog's whereabouts. When kicking down the door of the location he sees his stuffed toy has been clawed and ripped to shreds and concludes the town is full of Werewolves.

Getting out his silver chain-gun Shane proceeds to level the town while throwing grenades. After finishing off the last of the Werewolves Shane uncovers the horrible secret plus the females tell him they are pregnant. Shane then hops on his steed and gets out of dodge.

The End. Oh there will be one liners like 'Eat Buckshot Bub' and 'If you get preggo I'm going to go go'.
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A not 'dated' version would have the story goes as such:

Shane arrives at the ranch and beds the Kid's mother and older sister, then goes into town drunk to the whorehouse. After waking up beside a 'lady of the night' Shane finds his Muttins missing so he tortures a local baddie to discover his dog's whereabouts. When kicking down the door of the location he sees his stuffed toy has been clawed and ripped to shreds and concludes the town is full of Werewolves.

Getting out his silver chain-gun Shane proceeds to level the town while throwing grenades. After finishing off the last of the Werewolves Shane uncovers the horrible secret plus the females tell him they are pregnant. Shane then hops on his steed and gets out of dodge.

The End. Oh there will be one liners like 'Eat Buckshot Bub' and 'If you get preggo I'm going to go go'.

Aside from dodging the question, it is apparent that you are no George Stevens.
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Hopefully I'm not the only one to see that wuther is being sarcastic...
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****ing lord. I only saw this on VHS. This clarity is killing me.
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Aside from dodging the question, it is apparent that you are no George Stevens.

Oh contraire, you forgot Gunga Din, plenty of action, lots of explosions, scoundrels, pranks and drinking songs.
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Hopefully I'm not the only one to see that wuther is being sarcastic...

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Other than a slight dip in sharpness on transition shots I can't imagine this looking any better...Great film. Yeah, it's slow moving, but when I'm enjoying something beautiful I don't mind taking my time. That goes for art, music, scenery, and of course....women.
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What do you mean by dated film?
He must have been watching with the time stamp turned on....
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Oh contraire, you forgot Gunga Din, plenty of action, lots of explosions, scoundrels, pranks and drinking songs.

I would take Shane any day over Gunga Din.
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Unlike many people who have viewed and enjoyed this film I find it slow moving and acted in a stilted manner. I felt that a number of close ups lingered too long...especially on young Joey. Earlier westerns that I enjoyed...Red River, Duel in the Sun and westerns of the fifties such as The Searchers and The Big Country all have their faults but for me they are more enjoyable films...

I say this knowing that in many quarters SHANE is considered a classic.

However, one must admit that the Blu ray is indeed stunning.

All of those films you mentioned are dated.
You may have liked them more than Shane but they are in many ways no different except that Shane has a far better transfer. smile.gif

 

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All of those films you mentioned are dated.

I'm still not clear on the dated thing. Most of the films mentioned (including Shane) are westerns that take place prior to the turn of the century in a time before the film industry even existed. In other words, they show a specific time period with sets, clothing and props that reflect that time period.

This isn't a space drama from the 60's or 70's set in the future where everyone is wearing Go-Go boots and viewing vector graphics on CRT screens.

If you're talking about the filmmaking itself, there are plenty of modern films that use that same slow burn style of presentation with few action sequences and a complete lack of shakey cam. Not every movie has to be Transformers.

The fact is, Shane was made in a period when the majority of films relied on a good story, quality dialog and in depth characters to tell a story instead of explosions and a forced plot twist. Hollywood does still make those movies. We just have to wade through products meant to appease the ADD generation to find them.

You may not like the pacing or filmmaking technique, but it doesn't make the film "dated". It's not dated. The story simply isn't being told the way you want it to be.

So fine - go see the remake when it eventually happens. It's only a matter of time until the studio decides toss it back out there starring Ben Affleck or Shia LaBeouf.
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I'm still not clear on the dated thing. Most of the films mentioned (including Shane) are westerns that take place prior to the turn of the century in a time before the film industry even existed. In other words, they show a specific time period with sets, clothing and props that reflect that time period.

This isn't a space drama from the 60's or 70's set in the future where everyone is wearing Go-Go boots and viewing vector graphics on CRT screens.

If you're talking about the filmmaking itself, there are plenty of modern films that use that same slow burn style of presentation with few action sequences and a complete lack of shakey cam. Not every movie has to be Transformers.

The fact is, Shane was made in a period when the majority of films relied on a good story, quality dialog and in depth characters to tell a story instead of explosions and a forced plot twist. Hollywood does still make those movies. We just have to wade through products meant to appease the ADD generation to find them.

You may not like the pacing or filmmaking technique, but it doesn't make the film "dated". It's not dated. The story simply isn't being told the way you want it to be.

So fine - go see the remake when it eventually happens. It's only a matter of time until the studio decides toss it back out there starring Ben Affleck or Shia LaBeouf.

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I'm still not clear on the dated thing. Most of the films mentioned (including Shane) are westerns that take place prior to the turn of the century in a time before the film industry even existed. In other words, they show a specific time period with sets, clothing and props that reflect that time period.

This isn't a space drama from the 60's or 70's set in the future where everyone is wearing Go-Go boots and viewing vector graphics on CRT screens.

If you're talking about the filmmaking itself, there are plenty of modern films that use that same slow burn style of presentation with few action sequences and a complete lack of shakey cam. Not every movie has to be Transformers.

The fact is, Shane was made in a period when the majority of films relied on a good story, quality dialog and in depth characters to tell a story instead of explosions and a forced plot twist. Hollywood does still make those movies. We just have to wade through products meant to appease the ADD generation to find them.

You may not like the pacing or filmmaking technique, but it doesn't make the film "dated". It's not dated. The story simply isn't being told the way you want it to be.

So fine - go see the remake when it eventually happens. It's only a matter of time until the studio decides toss it back out there starring Ben Affleck or Shia LaBeouf.

I strongly agree with 99% of your post, the remaining 1% being for the Ben Affleck bit, because I like Ben Affleck both as a director AND an actor.
Back to Shane, I think it's finally time for me to buy this title smile.gif Movies are a product of their time (and some filmmaking techniques too), I don't understand this "dated" debate, it's a non-issue. One just has to put things into context before truly appreciating a film, otherwise there are video games to "keep the excitement at the highest level" rolleyes.gifwink.gif
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I'm going to see this at the Academy Monday.

http://www.oscars.org/events-exhibitions/events/2013/10/shane.html

Should be awesome, with James Mangold introducing it!!!!!

and its my first time watching it too!
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I'm still not clear on the dated thing. Most of the films mentioned (including Shane) are westerns that take place prior to the turn of the century in a time before the film industry even existed. In other words, they show a specific time period with sets, clothing and props that reflect that time period.

This isn't a space drama from the 60's or 70's set in the future where everyone is wearing Go-Go boots and viewing vector graphics on CRT screens.

If you're talking about the filmmaking itself, there are plenty of modern films that use that same slow burn style of presentation with few action sequences and a complete lack of shakey cam. Not every movie has to be Transformers.

The fact is, Shane was made in a period when the majority of films relied on a good story, quality dialog and in depth characters to tell a story instead of explosions and a forced plot twist. Hollywood does still make those movies. We just have to wade through products meant to appease the ADD generation to find them.

You may not like the pacing or filmmaking technique, but it doesn't make the film "dated". It's not dated. The story simply isn't being told the way you want it to be.

So fine - go see the remake when it eventually happens. It's only a matter of time until the studio decides toss it back out there starring Ben Affleck or Shia LaBeouf.

I don't know if you were replying to my post or the post I was replying to but since you quoted me, I have to assume you are replying to my post.
Wow. One little phrase gets extrapolated into a totally negative tangent and then veers off into derision.
I was merely pointing out to the poster that all of the movies he cited as preferable to Shane because it is "dated", have many of the same elements.

Not that it should matter but I like\love and own most of the films he mentioned and have been eagerly awaiting the BD of Shane.
One of my all time favorites.

These films imo, all have scenes that reflect the era when they were made, outside of whenever the actual story was set.
It's not a knock on them in any way shape or form. In many aspects it what makes them special but for me it is the timeless quality of these films that matters most.

If Shane had been made in 1969 rather than 1953 or whenever it would have been a different film not better or worse just different because film styles change.
Butch Cassidy and the Sun Dance Kid would have been a different film had it been made in the same era as Shane.

A couple of things that do not change in making a good film is story and character and I never said or implied that it didn't.
So as far as my opinions on Westerns of the 50's you can get off your high horse. wink.gif

 

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