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post #1 of 26 Old 11-27-2013, 05:45 PM - Thread Starter
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Going by caps it seems the latest Fox classic have been Bronzed and/or Tealed.
The Fly (original) is tealed, white shirts are blue and car is blue:
http://caps-a-holic.com/hd_vergleiche/multi_list.php?hd_multiID=1299

Dest Set is slightly bronzed & tealed, flesh highlights are blue:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/DVDCompare2/deskset.htm

Jesse James is bronzed & tealed, flesh specular are quite blue:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/dvdreviews28/jesse_james.htm

Black Swan has strong bronzed & tealed, flesh quite bronzed and face highlights are hard blues:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews22/the_black_swan_dvd_review.htm

Considering transfers otherwise look promising this is disappointing, I am sure there will be some blaming the websites which will be proven wrong as usual or claiming it's what the films actually even though across the board blue flesh specular can only be digitally induced.
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Not sure if this will work [didnt work].
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I'm not seeing the teal, but then again I using a crt monitor with a color profile closer to a plasma. LCD monitors skew colors with the exception of the expensive calibrated ones.

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Post #2 - Nice!!!!

Strange. When I first entered the thread the links in #2 didn't show up so I posted what I thought he tried to post and when I did the links/pics in #2 showed up.

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My attempt to put up small images of the DVD & BD different color grading failed since the site I was getting them from did not like that. I could swipe the images and put them on a image hosting site but I guess that would be 'stealing'.
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Post #2 - Nice!!!!

Strange. When I first entered the thread the links in #2 didn't show up so I posted what I thought he tried to post and when I did the links/pics in #2 showed up.

I think the b&w Call of the Wild (1935) by Fox just put up on beaver looks better. Cannot spot any of the usual digital 'fixes' in the images just full film grain and nice grading.
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It looks like Gary Tooze at dvdbeaver started the ball rolling when he said (about Desk Set) "The new 1080P is characterized by its very blue-teal hue. It appears to even affect the pastels (clothing) although the colors are quite tight."

Which prompted someone to send in the following:

NOTE: BK says to us in email: "I don't know when it became fashionable to overuse the term "teal" in terms of Blu-ray transfers and to apply that term as a negative, when Desk Set finally looks exactly as it should - it has no teal/blue leaning to it at all - it's just right for the first time - the middle shots are green - you can't think the film ever looked like that - and the color on this Blu-ray is a perfect replication of what this film looks like in dye transfer Technicolor - I owned a print of it and it's exactly the same. And the same goes for The Black Swan, which also replicates perfectly now what it should have always looked like." (Thanks BK!)

It's always hard for me to judge color accuracy on older color films, I have no frame of reference. Personally, I'll end up getting The Black Swan. If it's a classic swashbuckler on blu-ray, I'll own it.
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Oh yeah, BK must be everyone's favorite screenshot lover, Bruce Kimmel aka haineshisway. So there you go.

LOL, Kimmel uses the same stupid "I used to own a dye transfer print of (this) movie and I know this is what it should (or shouldn't) look like" line every time he cries about screen caps or someone's dissenting opinion about a Blu-ray release. I don't care what the man's professional credentials are, he's a buffoon.
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"I used to own a dye transfer print of (this) movie and I know this is what it should (or shouldn't) look like"
Beats the heck out of "i know what this movie should look like because I own the DVD/laserdisc/VHS"...
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LOL, Kimmel uses the same stupid "I used to own a dye transfer print of (this) movie and I know this is what it should (or shouldn't) look like" line every time he cries about screen caps or someone's dissenting opinion about a Blu-ray release. I don't care what the man's professional credentials are, he's a buffoon.

Man that's harsh, fair, but harsh. hehe. Oh course the fact Desk Set and Black Swan were filmed 12 years part and now have the nearly the same color treatment is not important.
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Beats the heck out of "i know what this movie should look like because I own the DVD/laserdisc/VHS"...

Nope, saying 'this is the latest BD so it's right' beats the heck out knowing what the film format can actually record. Still it's fun reading the same 'experts' stating both LOTR is how the film looked when it is in fact neither.
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Although it's not a color film, I have to give Fox credit for doing a great job on the classic b/w film "The Ghost and Mrs Muir" blu-ray which I watched tonight.
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Although it's not a color film, I have to give Fox credit for doing a great job on the classic b/w film "The Ghost and Mrs Muir" blu-ray which I watched tonight.

I am impressed with Fox's newer b&w releases, from what little I have seen. I had a chance to buy 'Three Faces of Eve' during a bogo deal but somehow I blew it.
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Although it's not a color film, I have to give Fox credit for doing a great job on the classic b/w film "The Ghost and Mrs Muir" blu-ray which I watched tonight.

I am impressed with Fox's newer b&w releases, from what little I have seen. I had a chance to buy 'Three Faces of Eve' during a bogo deal but somehow I blew it.
The Three Faces of Eve received a fine film transfer for the Blu-ray. Well worth it for the film's fans.

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From what I can tell the blu-ray site review questions the accuracy of Black Swan color grading mentioning brownish orange. Guess BK is going send another angry email.
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I now have most of this wave of Fox Classics in my hands and should be able to offer more pointed comments very soon.

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Going by caps it seems the latest Fox classic have been Bronzed and/or Tealed.

Black Swan has strong bronzed & tealed, flesh quite bronzed and face highlights are hard blues:
http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film/dvdreviews22/the_black_swan_dvd_review.htm

Considering transfers otherwise look promising this is disappointing, I am sure there will be some blaming the websites which will be proven wrong as usual or claiming it's what the films actually even though across the board blue flesh specular can only be digitally induced.
I've now seen The Black Swan's transfer for an upcoming review and agree with the mysterious BK's note. This transfer's color timing hasn't been tealed at all. The Black Swan was a three-strip Technicolor film and used particularly exotic lighting on the set for its time by Leon Shamroy, to enhance certain colors. The commentary by star Maureen O'Hara even points it out, stating the look turned out quite differently than most of the other films she worked on.

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I missed this, but Robert A. Harris at hometheaterforum is not in the everything is fine camp:
"Henry King's The Black Swan, starring Tyrone Power and Maureen O'Hara, as photographed by the great Leon Shamroy, is but a shadow of itself.

Color? Yes. Accurate color and densities? No.

Viewable? Absolutely.

Just don't expect anything proper.

Skin tones are off, contrast blooms, shadow detail isn't."
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I'll agree about the level of shadow detail in The Black Swan, there are definite issues with black levels that crush at times. I believe this BD's transfer was sourced from the 2006 restoration intended for DVD with possible color tweaks for Hi-Def.

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Color? Yes. Accurate color and densities? No.

That part is confusing, no one was expecting it to be in b&w.
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Don't over think it, that's just RAH humor, "yes there's color, but it's wrong."
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Fox has a problem with the classics.

The B&W films look very good even though I think Laura may be a bit to bright.....

The color films is were the problems arise:

The Black swan: teal, everything looks blue, the DVD has lovely creamy technicolor colors
On the riviera: teal and besides that very orange faces, again the DVD has amazing colors
The Inn of the sixth happiness: teal, everything is blue
Bus stop: teal
Desk set: teal
Jesse James: teal

If they had just put the DVD masters on Blu-ray everything would be fine.
Fox blame the loss of original negatives in a fire but how come the DVD's are OK colorwise?.....

Good discs:
Niagara and other Monroe films
North to Alaska
The Undefeated
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Fox has a problem with the classics.

The B&W films look very good even though I think Laura may be a bit to bright.....

The color films is were the problems arise:

The Black swan: teal, everything looks blue, the DVD has lovely creamy technicolor colors
On the riviera: teal and besides that very orange faces, again the DVD has amazing colors
The Inn of the sixth happiness: teal, everything is blue
Bus stop: teal
Desk set: teal
Jesse James: teal
I think Fox is out of it's blue period now for classics, could be wrong though.

Others were The Fly [1958] (mild), Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea (mild) and Fantastic Journey (sometimes looked wacky due the original color palette's strong use of color combined with the forced blue). As I mentioned elsewhere the Batman TV first two seasons appear to be blueish and gone in the 3rd season.

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Fox has definitely been aggressive tweaking the color grading of classic film transfers. Sometimes it works like in Niagara, sometimes it doesn't.

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Fox has a problem with the classics.

If they had just put the DVD masters on Blu-ray everything would be fine.
Fox blame the loss of original negatives in a fire but how come the DVD's are OK colorwise?.....
Possibly the DVDs were from Tech 16mm prints or seps?

I saw a beautiful print of The Fly on TCM and didn't think it looked all that bad.

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Possibly the DVDs were from Tech 16mm prints or seps?
The older DVDs versions do not have the strong Bronzed and/or Tealed as the links I posted show.
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The new Twilight Time Blu-ray of House of Bamboo looks fantastic. There are some claiming "too blue" (they used to say "teal"), but they are incorrect.
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The new Twilight Time Blu-ray of House of Bamboo looks fantastic. There are some claiming "too blue" (they used to say "teal"), but they are incorrect.
House of Bamboo is not teal, but it does have a decided blue bias. This is measurable. Whether you like it or not is subjective. Whether it's accurate or not is the subject of much debate.

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