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Recoloring movies fo Blu-ray

I noticed some directors change images of their movies on Blu-Ray. New version of French Connection has colder colors, Badhams Dracula has desaturated colors... Could you give me more examples of this (movies that look different than its original version on Blu-ray)?
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I noticed some directors change images of their movies on Blu-Ray. New version of French Connection has colder colors, Badhams Dracula has desaturated colors... Could you give me more examples of this (movies that look different than its original version on Blu-ray)?
Pretty much any James Cameron film that had a remaster done, Terminator, Titanic, T2, etc, and I mean very different color grading. The Blade Runner Final Cut also has quite a different color grading then the other cuts in the boxset.

Independent disturbers also have a annoying habit of altering the color grading from the master like Shout vs a UK release ie Phantom of Paradise.

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From what I understand, if you're going back and scanning the original film negatives, you pretty much have to regrade the film anyway. The question is: when you regrade the film, do you aim for fidelity or some other subjective standard... and if you go for fidelity, what color reference do you use?

Some certainly just go for what they think looks good at the time, so it's different than prior releases, and revisionist. Some use a reference that's different than any other home video release, so it's different than prior releases, but possibly with better fidelity. Some make honest mistakes and end up trying to do the right thing (see what I did there?), and failing, resulting in unintentional revisionism. And sometimes they look more or less the same as previous releases.
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From what I understand, if you're going back and scanning the original film negatives, you pretty much have to regrade the film anyway. The question is: when you regrade the film, do you aim for fidelity or some other subjective standard... and if you go for fidelity, what color reference do you use?
That does not explain Apocalypse Now, Titanic, Blade Runner or Independent disturbers using the same masters but having different color grading.
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eye! these disturbers are making me thursty !
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Some of is clearly revisionist thinking so the movie's look is more palatable for modern audiences. In other cases, it's hard to duplicate the original color timing with modern digital tools. Almost everything is done in the digital domain now, and it's hard to perfectly mirror certain vintage film stocks using digital tools.

The trend is only going to get worse, as the people with the chemical know-how to process photochemical film disappear from Hollywood. Less and less people in the business will know what an older film should look like, as newer generations have virtually no experience in film.


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Some of is clearly revisionist thinking so the movie's look is more palatable for modern audiences. In other cases, it's hard to duplicate the original color timing with modern digital tools. Almost everything is done in the digital domain now, and it's hard to perfectly mirror certain vintage film stocks using digital tools.

The trend is only going to get worse, as the people with the chemical know-how to process photochemical film disappear from Hollywood. Less and less people in the business will know what an older film should look like, as newer generations have virtually no experience in film.
I guess on the positive side that means digitally filmed (newer) movies going forward will not have the color dilemmas of this sort.

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The attached is from the Blu-ray of 1942 Technicolor film The Black Swan.

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That particular movie is tricky, since the DP used very exotic lighting for its time. If I remember correctly, they used the older transfer struck for DVD when they issued its Blu-ray.


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