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New HDR UHD Wrath of Kahn master

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EDIT #1: All signs are pointing to this being a remaster of the 2009 4K scan, FYI. The improvements are noticeable and details are posted further below...
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EDIT #2: Wrath of Khan Director’s Edition Recall Information:

http://trekmovie.com/2016/06/22/wrat...l-information/

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The corrected product will be shipped free of charge. It is always our intention to distribute the highest quality product and we apologize for any inconvenience this error has caused.
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This is kind of old news, so I'm surprised it's not already a topic here, but I just stumbled across it today.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/03/nic...-4k-uhd-plans/
https://www.facebook.com/nicholas.me...11?pnref=story

The 1080p Blu-ray is already available for preorder...
http://amzn.com/B01AI7QPM6

Sounds like the other movies aren't getting the same treatment, not yet anyway.

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This is kind of old news, so I'm surprised it's not already a topic here, but I just stumbled across it today.

http://trekcore.com/blog/2016/03/nic...-4k-uhd-plans/
https://www.facebook.com/nicholas.me...11?pnref=story

The 1080p Blu-ray is already available for preorder...
http://amzn.com/B01AI7QPM6

Sounds like the other movies aren't getting the same treatment, not yet anyway.
There is a thread but it is in the reviews area.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/187-of...-june-7th.html
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There is a thread but it is in the reviews area.

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/187-of...-june-7th.html
'Twould explain why searching this forum found nothing.
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It will be interesting to see how older catalog titles turn out on UHD. Wrath of Kahn is fairly popular, so I guess it makes sense.

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I think the real factor in this being released is that TWOK is the only TOS film - apart from it's predecessor - that was given the okay to revisit for DVD remastering - because the elements were pretty far-gone and needed restoration - and they created a new print for the DC, which is apparently the restored and remastered basis for this release.
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I'd love to see another release without the teal overload.

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I'd love to see another release without the teal overload.
Ah, eric.exe, my old friend, do you know the old Paramount proverb that tells us revenge is a dish that is best served teal? It is very teal... in space.
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I am certainly curious on how the new grading will turn out. This will be one of the first titles I'll be watching when I upgrade into the 4K HDR world.

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I'd love to see another release without the teal overload.
You dont care for purple uniforms? heh

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I am certainly curious on how the new grading will turn out. This will be one of the first titles I'll be watching when I upgrade into the 4K HDR world.
Hopefully you are not counting your chickens before they hatch. There is no UHD BD announcement yet.
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You dont care for purple uniforms? heh
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth...

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There is no UHD BD announcement yet.
KMFDMvsEnya didn't specifically say UHD BD, no one has at this point. Nick Meyer specifically called out "the HDR version", so that does narrow down the delivery options to HDR streaming and UHD BD. Here's hopin'.

Unfortunately I'm still waiting to upgrade from my DVDs. Why can't Paramount give the movies the same love that CBS gave to the series? It sure seems like it would take LESS effort and net MORE money to do the movies right than the series. /gripe /grumble /rabble
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Watching TWOK without external reference looks just fine and frankly the old master is far too red. With that said I would love to get those high quality HDTV broadcast rips of the entire series of films.

As Nathanddrews said Nicholas Meyes has stated he has been working on the HDR version and Paramount is releasing NuTrek with HDR so it is likely to happen further down the road in some fashion.

Even though I hate the cover art of the new release, custom artwork to the rescue, I am going to pickup the BR soon and likely the UHD BD when it comes along to support the franchise with the minuscule hope that Paramount and CBS as well will further invest in the catalog.


The whole debacle with Trek falls with many parties and dynamics. The Trek rights are split and both parties are unwilling to factor into the equation and utilize past profits to properly treat their respective pieces of the pie. CBS wanted the TNG HD remasters to be wholly self funded from disc sales and not investing into the long term benefits. Specifically, remastering DS9 and Voyager for HD streaming in addition to physical and digital sales.

The quandary CBS/Paramount created over the years by bilking the ardent fan base with extremely high prices with past releases and combination of the current advent of streaming created an environment where the spent base no longer felt as compelled to spend yet another $60+ for each season. Tragically the sales for the stellar presentations of TNG on BR was not sufficiently successful enough to justify further work on the other shows.

Further from what I understand is the various newer generation studio leads do not have a culture of appreciating and properly exploiting their catalog, solely focusing on specific tent pole and note worthy films. Paramount, and CBS, has always had a weird contradictory approach to Trek, they love the cash but rarely actually want spend anything on the catalog. It is a strong franchise that has longevity and breadth in world culture but it does not rally the same degree of enthusiasm as Star Wars or, ugh, Transformers. They want that golden goose to produce a multitude more but with minimal investment, if even that. Case in point the rubbish transfers for the pre-NuTrek titles that have been regurgitated for years.

Perhaps some real respect for this culturally important franchise will be extended its proper due, beyond a few choice treatments.

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Looking forward to the new Blu. I really wished the first movie would get remastered as it has too much DNR and contrast boosting for my taste although not a terrible looking disc, it could look more film-like. I like the first two movies the best, but all of them need remastering obviously and I would buy such a boxset in a heartbeat.
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Wrath of Khan rerelease.

Didn't see this on here:

http://trekmovie.com/2016/04/15/star...-ray-june-7th/

Praying for rereleases of the others.

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There already is a Khan thread: New HDR UHD Wrath of Kahn scan/master
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I'm tempted to buy this, but I feel like Paramount is baiting me and everyone else to buy it in order to show them that a UHD release is profitable. I'm sure if I did buy it, they would release it on UHD-BD combo pack in the Fall or next Spring. That is the Paramount way, according to our past experiences with their abuse of Trek releases.
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I'm tempted to buy this, but I feel like Paramount is baiting me and everyone else to buy it in order to show them that a UHD release is profitable. I'm sure if I did buy it, they would release it on UHD-BD combo pack in the Fall or next Spring. That is the Paramount way, according to our past experiences with their abuse of Trek releases.
They also drop the price soon after you buy. Those sneaky sobs.
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If this sells well, Paramount will want to release the rest of the classic Trek movies on UHD. To do so, they'd have no choice but to remaster all of them from new 4k scans. (The masters used for the Blu-rays are ancient.) This can only be a good thing.

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2016 Blu-ray | 2009 Blu-ray










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That looks much better than the 2009 release.
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Honestly, I see no difference between the two, except for the overall color. I see no increase in detail that should come with a 4K master. I guess this was minted from something that Paramount had been sitting on since their remaster for the original release. I'll hold out for the UHD version.
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Has netflix been showing the new masters? Cause ive watched a few lately and they seemes rather detailed even for streaming

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So eric is back in the game? I look forward to the upcoming Thing comparison and lots of others...

I looked at the images on my plasma and although any detail increase is hard to find (I my look at them again at work with a Pro monitor) the color grading is more cinematic and thankfully far less blue except in the orange shot which almost identical. The color difference is so dramatic it looks like the set had been repainted in the previous BD. The 2016 images is much closer to what I remember when I first saw it back in 1982.

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Honestly, I see no difference between the two, except for the overall color. I see no increase in detail that should come with a 4K master. I guess this was minted from something that Paramount had been sitting on since their remaster for the original release. I'll hold out for the UHD version.
You may have a long wait and then you will get to read how it's 'too grainy', not exploding HDR and has weak immersive audio...
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Honestly, I see no difference between the two, except for the overall color.
The color is what makes it much better than the 2009 release. But certainly a 4K UHD release would (or could) be even better.
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Nice to see the blue tint removed and obnoxious boosting also appears to be gone. Looks like some much finer grain resolution in some shots as well. Space actually looks black now as well. Can't wait to see the UHD version!


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I'm definitely holding out for a UHD Blu-ray with Dolby Atmos track. It's my favorite Trek film.

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Honestly, I see no difference between the two, except for the overall color. I see no increase in detail that should come with a 4K master. I guess this was minted from something that Paramount had been sitting on since their remaster for the original release. I'll hold out for the UHD version.
I'm with you on the UHD version, but that's only because the UHD version will likely come with the Blu-ray, so why double-dip?

This is a remaster of the existing 4K scan used for the 2009 Blu-ray. However, it uses different color, different cleanup, different contrast, etc. If you look closely at some of the captures, you can see where the reduced boosting helps resolve some of the finer details on faces, fabrics, insignias. There's also improvements to noise reduction from a new encode. Also, at least one capture I saw has dirt/scratches that were removed in the 2009 master.

The blue cast is gone, space is black, the Enterprise is gray/white. Now the control panels actually distinguish between greens and blues. It seems to walk the line between the red/brown push of the DVD and the blue push of the 2009 Blu-ray. I can't wait to see how HDR affects the UHD release!

On second thought, I'm so excited that I'm going to double-dip after all. Paramount earned this one and I want to encourage them to redo the rest of the movies.

EDIT: However, they screwed this up:
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.ph...postcount=1092

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Paramount had been made aware of the issue.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/060816_1230
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Paramount had been made aware of the issue.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/060816_1230
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If this sells well, Paramount will want to release the rest of the classic Trek movies on UHD. To do so, they'd have no choice but to remaster all of them from new 4k scans. (The masters used for the Blu-rays are ancient.) This can only be a good thing.
There's always a choice.
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