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This is a reference realease no doubt. It looks stunnig. How in the world can they make this look so good but other movies form 80s or later can not? If you have not picked this up you need to. Only downfall is the 2.0 mono.
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Definite must buy for me ASAP.

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This is a reference realease no doubt. It looks stunnig. How in the world can they make this look so good but other movies form 80s or later can not? If you have not picked this up you need to. Only downfall is the 2.0 mono.

It's encoded in VC1, right?
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I belive it is.
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It is a direct port of the HD-DVD version.

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This is a reference realease no doubt. It looks stunnig. How in the world can they make this look so good but other movies form 80s or later can not? If you have not picked this up you need to. Only downfall is the 2.0 mono.

The film was originally mono and I doubt that source elements exist to make anything more than a token effort at a stereo soundtrack.

VistaVision did not support true multi-channel sound. They did have something called Perspecta sound that is not comparable. Hence, none of the films done in VistaVision were in true stereo.

The MGM sound department did record "High Society" in stereo because they were so annoyed at this (it was not released at the time), so we have a true stereo recording of that film.

Both Vertigo and North by Northwest have been given stereo soundtracks, and efforts were made at The Ten Commandments several times, with limited degrees of success.

We are probably just as well off to have a mono track of The Searchers.
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I personally love the mono track in this transfer (assuming it's similar to the HD DVD version). The music and dialog came through clearly and that's all that should matter for a film such as this.

I wasn't expecting a Gladiator DTS-ES track by any means. I know no one indicated a desire for this kind of audio, but I am a certified smart-ass after all.
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Just so you know i am not saying the sound is awful.
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It is a direct port of the HD-DVD version.

I know what this means when it comes to videogames, but is that sort of thing/concept really happening on this front as well?


Any of you techies wanna give me the quick rundown here?

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Perhaps it may be the proverbial " The acorn does not fall far from the tree".
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This is a reference realease no doubt. It looks stunnig. How in the world can they make this look so good...

Vista Vision helps a lot
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I watched this last night using the following Sony BDP-S1, Lumagen HDQ, Sony VPL-VW100 Ruby. The colors were muted and there is a noticeable green cast to the image, also it seems overexposed at times. I don't think it is my setup because I've watched some good transfers lately and they look spectacular. After watching the BD version, I decided to to check out the DVD version and bamn the colors were more vibrant and the green cast was gone as well as the overexposed look. The DVD playback was via a Denon DVD-2910...

Not sure what is going, I'll check the calibration this evening. The issues above notwithstanding the BD is very sharp at times and really looks like film. I can adjust the Lumagen to deal with the problems above very easily so it's not a big deal.

I had a second look last night and now realize that the blu-ray version is more accurate than the DVD.
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I know what this means when it comes to videogames, but is that sort of thing/concept really happening on this front as well?

Actually it's different from games. When a game is "ported" usually it undergoes quite a lot of recoding, depending on the systems. Usually the port isn't enhanced to take advantage of the child format.

Releasing a HD DVD encode is pretty straight forward, AIUI, the file is the same and the only differences are in the data structure and menu system. I believe some of the Warner tracks have TrueHD audio that's removed for the BD version. It's relatively easy to redo an audio encode and then sync that to the video track. Of course the video usually isn't re-encoded to take advantage of the extra space and higher bitrate
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Last night I tried playing a copy of the bd disc The Searchers from Netflix on my Panasonic 10a. It was a no-go, the player was unable to read it. Visually the disc doesn't appear to have any flaws. Has anyone else had any problems with this title?
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Your problem is probably firmware or a damaged disc from Netflix. It played beautifully on my PS3.
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I second that.
Best I've ever seen it.

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no problems with playing it on my Ps3. I also got it through Netflix.

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No problems on my PS3 or my BD-P1200.
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Thanks. I'll report the problem to Netflix and see if the replacement disc plays properly. On closer examination there does appear to be a scratch on the outside edge. Do BD disc read from the inside to the outside?
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I viewed the Blu-ray Searchers on my PS3. No problems and outstanding picture quality. It's hard to believe that that film is over 1/2 century old!! The folks who did the Blu-ray transfer did a fantastic job.
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It's hard to believe that that film is over 1/2 century old!! The folks who did the Blu-ray transfer did a fantastic job.

I'm sufficiently old and the picture quality so astonishing that I felt as if I'd been transported to a movie theater of my youth.
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Netflix sent out a different copy of The Searcher and it works fine, so the problem with the first disc was the disc itself.
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I had a copy of Volver that didn't want to play in my PS3. A second copy was fine.
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Just dug up this old thread after viewing The Searchers tonight....It looks very good but is slightly spoiled by one small problem that i can see and that is EE.....Easily spotted and seen throughout this fine film. It's been suggested this is probably an optical issue and not EE.....That's very possible and only the experts can answer that question but it is there in many scenes....It wasn't a huge issue for me but i thought i would share my opinion with everyone here and maybe see what others think.

Lots of nice detail in the image though and i love watching classic movies in high definition.

I had watched Shoot 'Em Up just before i watched The Searchers and there was certainly no EE on that one. Talk about two totally different movies...I enjoyed both.
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Purchased a new blu ray copy of The Searchers (John Wayne) today,on sale at Best Buy.When, in my Pioneer 09 player, it displays load, noises,and the displays "can't play" and or "unknown disc".
Anyone else having issues with this blu ray title???
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I wonder,is it a firmware or disc related problem???
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Mine played fine
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update your firmware. Then try again.
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I have the latest firmware in my Pioneer BDP-09 FD player. Ver 2.46.
Could you please tell me if you are using a Pioneer 09 blu ray player,with the latest 2.46 firmware, when the Searchers worked fine for you?
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Even though I don't believe it's fully accurate, the color palette of the new SE and BD never bothered me. In spite of the EE (possibly film artifact?), this is still my favorite Blu-Ray purchase to date. If only they'd bring VistaVision back!
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Even though I don't believe it's fully accurate, the color palette of the new SE and BD never bothered me. In spite of the EE (possibly film artifact?), this is still my favorite Blu-Ray purchase to date. If only they'd bring VistaVision back!

Here is some information on the restoration of The Searchers.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...ris082106.html


From the above article.

There are currently discussions swirling around the web about the look of the new DVDs of The Searchers, and I know only a few absolute facts. We know that the original VistaVision negative is fully faded and unusable; that the original dye transfer (matricy) prints were further modified via that process from what was contained in the Oneg, and that the process itself changed between the time that film originally ran theatrically and the period in which further dye transfer prints were produced. Lastly, without a viable negative, everything must now be derived from black & white separation masters, which were never tested, and probably never examined until the early 1990s.

I thought it best to go direct to the source for answers. Ned Price, Vice President of Mastering, Warner Bros. Technical Operations, was kind enough to take the time to discuss the film's problems.


RAH: Have you been reading any of the comments on line, and if so, do you take them seriously.

NP: We absolutely take them seriously. From what I've been able to deduce, people have been using the 1991 transfer as a reference, and it is in no way a reference. Believe me, I was there. We had very limited color correction capabilities.


That entire article makes for fascinating reading so i recommend it to all fans of this fine western.

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