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post #181 of 1971 Old 05-16-2008, 07:30 PM
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My 2 cents. How about representing the movie and disc size in MB or GB instead of bytes ?

M&C BD still has 5.7 GB space left. FOX could have ported the main extras from the Collector's Edition. Shame on them.

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Dragon Tiger Gate -> Is this the U.S or the HK version ?

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DTS-HD Master Audio (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
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Title                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                                Secondary Audio Track
-----                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------- -----------------------                         ---------------------
Wall Street                                     AVC     2:05:44 31,036,667,904  43,709,515,982  32.91   26.61   16      DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1

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Cinema Squid something you might want to correct in your program is the detection of 7.1 DTS-MA tracks. There was a discussion of this in some other threads. There are multiple speaker configurations for 7.1 and some of them are not detected correctly by some players. PowerDVD for example used to report New Line titles as 5.1 but it is now correctly reporting 7.1 in the latest versions.

That's good news that it got the TrueHD track count correct - wasn't completely sure about that.

For the DTS-MA (and DTS-HD Hi-Res), as far as I know none of the open source or free utilities have figured out the headers for these yet and I have had little success reverse engineering them myself. Hopefully someone will figure this out and publish the results in the near future.
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Title                                   Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        Secondary Audio Track
-----                                   ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -------------------     ---------------------
The Untouchables                        AVC     1:59:27 34,493,700,096  38,485,194,590  38.50   32.98   DTS-ES 6.1 1509Kbps     DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
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Dolby Digital AC3 (lossy compression)
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Title                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        Secondary Audio Track
-----                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------      ---------------------
Kiss Kiss Bang Bang                             MPEG-2  1:42:42 15,667,513,344  16,189,972,070  19.95   17.29   DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

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Can someone post the BDInfo for Shooter, Face/Off and Next ?

I have Face/Off and Next at the top of my Netflix queue so as long as everything goes well I should have them Wednesday.. And I own Shooter on HD DVD since it was technically superior.

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I am under the assumption that the PQ on the MPEG-2 encoded Blu-ray will be similar to or better than the AVC encoded HD DVD due to the high bit rate trend on BD adopted by Paramount. Please clarify if I am wrong.

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And I own Shooter on HD DVD since it was technically superior.

Shooter is high bitrate MPEG2 on a BD50.

World Trade Center
looks much better on BD, and the MPEG2 bitrates stay in the 30+Mbps for most of the feature.

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+1. Totally agree that WTC BD looked much better and sharper than the HD DVD and expecting Shooter and Black Rain to be on similar lines.

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Shooter is high bitrate MPEG2 on a BD50.

World Trade Center
looks much better on BD, and the MPEG2 bitrates stay in the 30+Mbps for most of the feature.

True but WTC was VC-1 vs MPEG2, while this is AVC vs MPEG2. If someone has the BD version of Shooter I would be more than glad to compare specs/screenshots. However bad news, all of the new Paramount titles in my queue are very long wait, so I think that they didn't get any copies. I was able to get National Treasure 2, no problem.

I also have Black Rain on HD DVD and will do the same for specs and screen shots.

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Thanks mate. I have pre-ordered Shooter, Next, Face/Off, Black Rain, Disturbia, Blades of Blory & Babel on Blu-ray but they are reported to be out-of-stock. I was pretty impressed by WTC on Blu-ray than HD DVD.

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Arg this took me nearly 12 hours to do. I will do season 2 when I am feeling patient.

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DTS-HD High Resolution Audio (lossy compression) 24-bit/48kHz
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Title                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                                Secondary Audio Track
-----                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -----------------------------------------       ---------------------
Weeds: Season 1 (10 episodes)   MPEG-2  4:43:54 46,133,563,392  48,605,735,152  21.67   16.45   DTS-HD High Resolution Audio 6.1 3039Kbps       DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps

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one question, is I ROBOT (UK version) same DTS HD MA 5.1 48kHz/24bit ?
what bitrate I should find ?

is it similair as with DolbyTrueHD where average most of the time over 3,3.5 mbit is 24bit, is something like that with DTS HD MA ?

I think biggiest I saw in uk I robot 5.8mbit, mostly over 3 or 4 mbit...

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Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
Youth Without Youth                                             AVC     2:04:57 37,111,621,632  47,134,138,354  39.60   27.89   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 4740Kbps (48kHz/24-bit)
Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
-----                                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- ------------------                        ---------------------
First Knight                                                    AVC     2:13:50 40,345,528,320  47,537,932,135  40.19   25.95   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 3563Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)
LPCM (uncompressed) 16-bit/48kHz
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Title                                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track                          Secondary Audio Track
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The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe  AVC     2:22:51 40,534,935,552  45,025,418,656  37.83   25.81   LPCM 5.1 4608Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)          DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
BDInfo v.0.2.0 had some trouble with its initial scan of Narnia, but I think I found the problem and am currently testing a new build against other discs. This bug doesn't have any effect on the bitrate data collected, but rather manifests itself as "???" codec displays on the initial disc scan. Disney sure likes to throw out funky curveballs in their MPLS playlist files...
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BDInfo v.0.2.0 had some trouble with its initial scan of Narnia, but I think I found the problem and am currently testing a new build against other discs. This bug doesn't have any effect on the bitrate data collected, but rather manifests itself as "???" codec displays on the initial disc scan. Disney sure likes to throw out funky curveballs in their MPLS playlist files...

Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 24-bit/48kHz
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Title                                           Codec   Length  Movie Size      Disc Size       Bitrate Bitrate Main Audio Track        Secondary Audio Track
-----                                           ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -----------------       ---------------------
National Treasure 2: Book of Secrets            AVC     2:04:32 32,016,064,512  48,118,122,133  34.28   23.26   Dolby TrueHD 5.1        DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps
Yeah there are several MPLS on this, so I just did it the old fashion way. Disney is really going all out on trying to get interactivity working properly. I believe this is a true 1.1 PIP encode since I am showing a 480p video muxed in. eac3to reports:
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C:\\download\\eac3to246>eac3to I:\\
1) 00000.mpls, 00429.m2ts, 2:04:32
   - h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
   - h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (16:9)
   - TrueHD, English, multi-channel, 48khz
   - AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
   - AC3, French, multi-channel, 48khz
   - AC3, Spanish, multi-channel, 48khz
   - AC3, Portuguese, multi-channel, 48khz
   - AC3, Thai, multi-channel, 48khz
   - AC3, English, stereo, 48khz
   - DTS-HD (secondary), English, stereo, 48khz

2) 00131.mpls, 0:20:27
   [14+13+15+24+25+26+27+16+17+18+19+20+21+22+23].m2ts
   - h264/AVC, 1080i30 /1.001 (16:9)
   - AC3, English, multi-channel, 48khz

C:\\download\\eac3to246>eac3to I:\\ 1)
This doesn't seem to be a valid DTS file.
M2TS, 2 video tracks, 7 audio tracks, 2:04:32
1: Chapters, 19 chapters
2: h264/AVC, 1080p24 /1.001 (16:9)
3: h264/AVC, 480p24 /1.001 (20:11)
4: TrueHD/AC3, English, 5.1 channels, 48khz
5: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbit/s, 48khz
6: AC3, French, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz
7: AC3, Spanish, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz
8: AC3, Portuguese, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz
9: AC3, Thai, 5.1 channels, 640kbit/s, 48khz
10: AC3, English, 2.0 channels, 192kbit/s, 48khz, dialnorm: -27dB

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one question, is I ROBOT (UK version) same DTS HD MA 5.1 48kHz/24bit ?
what bitrate I should find ?

is it similair as with DolbyTrueHD where average most of the time over 3,3.5 mbit is 24bit, is something like that with DTS HD MA ?

I think biggiest I saw in uk I robot 5.8mbit, mostly over 3 or 4 mbit...

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I got an average bitrate of ~4400 kbps for the DTS-MA track on I, Robot (US), so it sounds as if it may indeed have the same track.

As to determining whether it's 16-bit or 24-bit is a tricky question. Every Master Audio track I've examined has reported itself as 24-bit (through the core DTS track). However, this header field is described as the bit depth of the source LPCM track used to create the DTS-MA track and doesn't rule out the possibility that the headers are lying or that some Master Audio tracks aren't actually 16-bit downconverts of a 24-bit source LPCM.

From my scans, there seem to be roughly two classes of DTS-MA 5.1 tracks: those that fall into a bitrate range of ~4000-4500 kbps (ex. I, Robot) and those that fall into a bitrate range of ~2500-3000 kbps (ex. Die Hard 1-3, Mr. Brooks). I am beginning to suspect that titles in the latter group are actually 16-bit, but at the moment I don't have a good way to verify this since none of the free and open source tools available can properly decode DTS-MA into an LPCM.
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thanx Cinema Squid and Benes for info !!

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Before the Devil Knows You're Dead              AVC     1:56:43 20,282,013,696  24,094,321,268  23.17   18.98   DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps

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FYI: I posted a new version of BDInfo v.0.2.1 which contains only a single minor change that will hopefully help with correctly determining the contents of certain Disney discs.

It works with Narnia and doesn't screw up Ratatouille (which motivated the initial change in v.0.2.0) and has worked fine with a bunch of other discs in my collection, so hopefully the fix will extend to other problematic titles such as National Treasure 2.
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Techies,

Is it possible to derive similar stats using professional rippers / playing tools like AnyDVD, PowerDVD etc ?

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Weeds: Season Two
        Disc 1 - 8 Episodes                     AVC     3:44:57 47,272,071,168  48,956,702,440  28.02   19.67   LPCM 7.1 6144Kbps       DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
        Disc 2 - 4 Episodes                     AVC     1:47:22 19,979,489,280  22,728,233,690  24.81   16.58   LPCM 7.1 6144Kbps       DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps

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Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
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V for Vendetta                                                  VC-1    2:12:32 22,824,474,624  27,375,237,016  22.96   12.54   Dolby TrueHD 5.1 2624Kbps (48kHz/16-bit)  DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
12.54 Mbps VC-1 video, 448Kbps secondary AC3 audio?!? Where's the puking smiley icon when you need it?

Thanks for another awe-inspiring HD DVD port, Warner!
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I am going to publish this spec everywhere just to get bashed by fellow members. Anyways information is wealth.

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12.54 Mbps VC-1 video, 448Kbps secondary AC3 audio?!? Where's the puking smiley icon when you need it?

Thanks for another awe-inspiring HD DVD port, Warner!

That is shockingly low and I'm not sure if that title is a real strong candidate for a double-dip down the line on blu-ray. We could be stuck with that encode for years. Isn't it already close to 2 years old already?
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I simply must post one more to get the bad taste out of my mouth. Here is a fascinating case of night and day - in this case, the only word to describe the video and audio of this disc is spectacular.
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Saawariya                                                       AVC     2:17:47 37,214,201,856  40,406,012,857  36.01   27.66   *Dolby TrueHD 5.1 5377Kbps (48kHz/24-bit) DD AC3 5.1 640Kbps (English Dub)
* NOTE: TrueHD track is Hindi original audio, while English dub (don't bother) is listed as secondary.

EDIT: These are the only two audio tracks available on disc, although there is a veritable cornucopia of subtitle choices.
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Mating bulldog with a shitzu gives ******** which is the same as lazy porting from HD DVD.

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Dolby TrueHD (lossless compression) 16-bit/48kHz
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Untraceable                                     AVC     1:41:00 29,569,837,056  34,507,949,556  39.04   25.33   Dolby TrueHD 5.1        DD AC3 5.1 448Kbps
Another 16bit TrueHD track from Sony. It is profile 1.1 though.

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V for Vendetta

Thanks for another awe-inspiring HD DVD port, Warner!

So there is essentially 23GB of unused space on the disc? 12Mbps is pretty cool



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great thread, keep up the good work!!

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-----                                   ------  ------- --------------  --------------  ------- ------- -------------------     ---------------------
Face/Off                                AVC     2:18:57 34,081,904,640  49,000,908,570  32.70   26.99   DTS-ES 6.1 1509Kbps     DD AC3 5.1-EX 640Kbps
Complete now..

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