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post #91 of 504 Old 12-30-2006, 10:43 AM
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I just recently bought a Pioneer Elite 81TX after I picked up my PS3. It is an excellent receiver. It will process 7.1 LPCM via HDMI, pass 1080p, and does not have any issues with PCM LFE (at least on my PS3, my Toshiba HD is another story). It evens has iPod connectivity. Plus, the auto setup is fantastic!

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I am thinking about upgrading my receiver too.

I own a Yamaha RX-V1400.

I want something that is at least 110x7, HDMI, and 1080p pass through.

What would you recommend?

The Yamahas have the -10 issue so my guess is it will not be another Yamaha.

I appreciate the recommendations and would like to keep price under $750.

Thanks!

If you like Yamaha, the new 1700 is HDMI 1.2 (pass 1080p), Pass upto 7.1 Channel in MLPCM via HDMI up 24bit/192khz, has PLIIx Filter enable on HDMI PCM so that you can get you're 2 back surround to work with a 5.1 source, has EX/ES filter for HDMI PCM too.. all around great.

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Could someone answer one question I have about the Onkyo 604, Can it send all video through the HDMI out? I dont care about upconversion, just pass through of all video.
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I currently have the Panasonic SA XR-55, and I love it. It works great. Of course, I would love to get a HDMI 1.3 version of it. I guess I'll have to wait for CES. I've decided I'm not going to upgrade my receiver till I can get one with HDMI 1.3. I also want several HDMI inputs, (hopefully 3 of them). I'm definitely hoping that Panasonic comes out with something very similar to the XR-55, except with HDMI 1.3 support and still keeps the price low.
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Earz,

Wait a second! Everyone else is saying no 7.1 LPCM over HDMI, only 5.1

Are you sure?

I picked up the Sony STRDG1000 last week to compliment my new PS3 and was able to get 7.1 PCM from The Descent Blu-Ray.

You may have have to set the PS3 to PCM and not Bitstream.

I have been very happy with the Sony, don't let anyone put you off on it until you read all the reviews.

If Sony ever updates the PS3 to pass DTS-HD as LPCM, I consider myself future proof (for at least the next few years )
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I just bought a Marantz 4001 relatively cheaply in Hong Kong (2850hkd = 365) which passes uncompressed PCM through HDMI. BHD sounds incredible....so much better than regular DD. Worth the upgrade to BR just for the improvement in sound. (previously used denon 3801). Not sure about 1080p, since I'm still using component to my older Sony 36" CRT (1080i max).

Can anyone confirm whether the 4001 can pass 1080p in case I upgrade my tv in 6-9 months?

yea i got my ps3 goin to a marantz 4001 and it passes 1080p.
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What is the most afforable HDMI receiver that will do LPCM 5.1 (or 6.1 or 7.1)correctly and 1080p?
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Could someone explain the Panasonic XR-57and the bass issue? I like the price of this reciever. I only want to watch BR movies and want this for audio. Also, is this correct: the PS3 send all DD, DTS, DDTrue hd, and (soon) DTS-HD via hdmi as LPCM?
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I believe that is just too much information to pass through optical...but I've been wrong before!

It is definitely not too much information to pass through optical, in the professional recording world there is a standard called ADAT Lightpipe which sends 8 full discrete uncompressed channels of 24-bit/44.1Khz audio over one TOSLINK optical cable. There are no consumer audio receivers with the capability to accept a lightpipe signal though. The only signals a consumer audio receivers are able to receive through an optical cable are Dolby Digital, DTS and 2-channel S/PDIF PCM. It's standards in audio receivers that make it impossible for 3+ channel uncompressed PCM to be sent over an optical cable. No receivers can read it.
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Could someone explain the Panasonic XR-57and the bass issue? I like the price of this reciever. I only want to watch BR movies and want this for audio. Also, is this correct: the PS3 send all DD, DTS, DDTrue hd, and (soon) DTS-HD via hdmi as LPCM?

You are correct about what the PS3 can decode and send as PCM.
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Gang,

To those with a Sony STR-DG 1000, 3200ES, or 5200ES

Im willing to bet you will get no LPCM over HDMI (assuming you have a blu ray player or PS3 connected to your receiver) when the receiver is connected to a TV with a HDMI- DVI cable. My 5200ES wouldnt do this so it went back. I know DVI doesnt carry audio but the blu ray player or PS3 should be able to output LPCM over the HDMI connection to the receiver. My Marantz 7001 can.
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My only concern is if the 1700 has the LFE issue.

If it does not, I am buying it. It has everything else.
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My only concern is if the 1700 has the LFE issue.

If it does not, I am buying it. It has everything else.

The Denon 2307CI has a tad overall better sound and doesn't have any LFE issues. It's an awesome reciver, I couldn't be happier. 1700 is not a bad receiver at all, but Denon gets a slight edge in the sound department.
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I have the Panny SA-XR70, not 700, this unit does not apply bass management or processing to HDMI other than level adjustments, then the video goes HDMI from the Panny to display. I have the Tosh HD-A1 and a PS3, along with the 360 add on. The unit does not pass through 1080p, not an issue for me, on the PS3, I have it set to pcm so no bass management or delay is introduced, also decodes my dts and dd internally, The sound is absolutely incredible, no lfe issue, but I could boost as much as I need to up to 30 on receiver (I leave it at 5). I also I have full size Polk towers R50's and R30's and do not have any abnormally low audio coming from them, either natural low end roll off or movie encoding on those channels. Either way I see no problems with the lpcm decoded audio going to my mains and causing any distortion. I also find my lfe to be cleaner since it only receiving what was intended for the lfe channel. My room is of medium size so lack of delay adjustments is not an issue. On the Tosh, I have bass management and delay all done internally in the player passing pcm to the Panny. The 360 add on is good with Dolby True HD, but has the DD+ issue, sounds good, but not as good as true uncompressed sound from either hi def format, also sacd never sounded so good when you can go digital into a digital receiver. I would recommend the Panny over the Onkyo based on sound quality and performance, it is very feature poor, but I can overlook those shortcoming for an all digital sound path and sound that I receive. You might want to wait for what they have to say about the new Panny SA-XR707, or buy the 700 for all your 1080p and bass management needs.
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Does the Denon have problems converting 5.1 PCM to 7.1?

Denon 2307CI

Will it pass 1080p ok?

Hmm...maybe I should look into it.

Thanks.
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Does the Denon have problems converting 5.1 PCM to 7.1?

Denon 2307CI

Will it pass 1080p ok?

Hmm...maybe I should look into it.

Thanks.

I haven't had much time to play with it, so I don't know of any problems converting 5.1 PCM to 7.1. I didn't even look into it and don't even know if it can do it . As far as 1080p goes, I don't see any problems with that either. I had an Onkyo 604 for about 2 weeks and exchanged it for the Denon, the onkyo sounded distorted at mid-higer volumes. The Denon doesn't.
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I'm a noob with home audio stuff. I was under the impression audio via HDMI was not the best and only two channel with the PS3?? I'm using optical connection now and it sounds great. What would I notice as an improvement making the switch?
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I'm a noob with home audio stuff. I was under the impression audio via HDMI was not the best and only two channel with the PS3?? I'm using optical connection now and it sounds great. What would I notice as an improvement making the switch?

You won't notice much difference in Resistance, other than 2 more speakers behind you. But in movies that are PCM you will notice the biggest difference.
Only 2 channel through HDMI on the PS3 ?? hmmm, i wonder why you thought that.
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So it looks like the Onkyo 604 ($369.99 at amazon) is the best deal for the money? It does everything we need except it is only 5.1 right?

The Sony STRDG1000 sounds great but it costs $654.03 at amazon.

I'm thinking Onkyo. Am I missing anything important here? Anyone get a 7.1 system for less or about the same as the Onkyo?
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Woah, what about this one? It's 7.1 and is only $399.29:

Onkyo TX-SR604S
http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-SR604...&s=electronics
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I would get the 674 if I were you.
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I am going with the Yamaha 1700.

It looks to have everything I need and can be found for about $800.
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For those that do not require 1080p pass thru (1080i or 720p displays) and have larger Mains the XR57 is tough to beat for sound quality (especially under $500) . I owned a $500 Denon when I first purchased the XR57 and the Denon ended up getting sold . While there is no BM with PCM over HDMI you can adjust for the -10db LFE as the XR57 has a 0db to +20db subwoofer adjustment that works for any input . Certainly not saying it is THE best choice for everyone as it has its limitations but it cannot be beat regarding SQ for the price IMO .

Just wanted to add that in since I would hate to think some are spending more than they want for features that they may not need or even use . All the features that I want in my next receiver would currently run me about $1000 so I am holding out for at least another year before upgrading .

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Im looking into the denon 2807, heard good things about it. Plus I am starting to care less and less about HDMI 1.3
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I ordered the XR57 from walmart.com. $300 is hard to beat. I only have a 1080i screen now anyway and if I understand the technology correctly, once I get a 1080p the set will just interlace the lines anyway.
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I ordered the XR57 from walmart.com. $300 is hard to beat. I only have a 1080i screen now anyway and if I understand the technology correctly, once I get a 1080p the set will just interlace the lines anyway.

You don't mind that you can't change the speaker levels and apply bass management and time adjustment to the audio channels when using LPCM? I guess it would work for people who have large, identical speakers which are all equidistant from the listening position, but I'd at least like to know I could adjust levels if I needed.
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You don't mind that you can't change the speaker levels and apply bass management and time adjustment to the audio channels when using LPCM? I guess it would work for people who have large, identical speakers which are all equidistant from the listening position, but I'd at least like to know I could adjust levels if I needed.

According to DaGamePimp, you can adjust the levels.

I'm not familiar with the term "time management", is that applying an echo effect or something? I'm not interested in that.
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I'm not familiar with the term "time management", is that applying an echo effect or something? I'm not interested in that.

No, it's adding a delay to speakers that are closer than others so the sound reaches your ears at the same time.

The manual I looked at says this on page 18:
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signal through the HDMI input terminal. Set distances
from the listening-viewing position and speaker sizes
on your DVD recorder or DVD player in such cases.

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Im looking into the denon 2807, heard good things about it. Plus I am starting to care less and less about HDMI 1.3

I thought one of the things HDMI 1.3 was able to do was to synch the audio and video so that there is no delay between the two. (which bugs the heck out of me!)

Does anyone have more info on this?
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