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My impression is WOW!

I expected BDA to show some force this CES, but what I just saw was way beyond my expectation. Blu-ray annoucements just overwhelmed HD-DVD announcements

Show of confidence from FOX/Disney/MGM/LionsGate/Warner/Paramount/Sony make me feel good about choosing this format.

Blockbusters titles like Casino Royale, Independence Day, The Matrix, Harry Potter, Pirates of the Caribbean, Cars, The Rock, etc were announced. .....and we still haven't even heard about Spiderman or Narnia.

Anway it's been a great day for Blu-ray camp, if only AVS is more reliable
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Total victory for BDA IMHO.

1) no studio defections
2) impressive list of exclusive titles
3) Warner becoming totally format neutral (except for the truehd thing). Most of the HD DVD top sellers are warner (bb, v for vendetta etc).

After these annoucnements, I can't see how any consumer would go buy HD DVD hardware when the software support is so overwhelmingly better on the BD side. Add to that the fact that the BD entry level players (PS3) is so much better than the A2 (1080p, hdmi 1.3).

My only disappointment is on the hardware side. No other entry level players were announced.
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I may have missed it, but where was The Matrix and Harry Potter announced for BD? They were announced for HD DVD.
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I may have missed it, but where was The Matrix and Harry Potter announced for BD? They were announced for HD DVD.

yes they were announced for blu-ray

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/01/08...en-here-befor/
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I may have missed it, but where was The Matrix and Harry Potter announced for BD? They were announced for HD DVD.

from engadget:


3:24pm PST - Ron Sanders from Warner Brothers takes the stage.
33 titles last year and the best selling titles. They will arm wrestle with Paramount about the total of MI:3.
The Matrix as well as Oceans series and Harry Potter in 2007.
No dates yet, but Blood diamond and We are Marshal as well. Again all day and date with DVD.
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I may have missed it, but where was The Matrix and Harry Potter announced for BD? They were announced for HD DVD.

Expect Warner to release EVERYthing day&date on HD DVD and Blu-Ray from now on.
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Total victory for BDA IMHO.

1) no studio defections
2) impressive list of exclusive titles
3) Warner becoming totally format neutral (except for the truehd thing). Most of the HD DVD top sellers are warner (bb, v for vendetta etc).

After these annoucnements, I can't see how any consumer would go buy HD DVD hardware when the software support is so overwhelmingly better on the BD side. Add to that the fact that the BD entry level players (PS3) is so much better than the A2 (1080p, hdmi 1.3).

My only disappointment is on the hardware side. No other entry level players were announced.

Agreed on all points, heck the entire post!
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Sony stunk it up. Everyone else was fine.
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yes, I know that Warner releases on both formats, but they tend to release HD DVD first, and I had not seen the BD press release.
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Sony stunk it up. Everyone else was fine.

I don't know, Paramount were pretty poor too. At least Sony announced 2 AVC titles and a Bond

My impressions, very impressed, especially with Fox. I'm very surprised at some of their announcements.

Also very pleased that we may finally get Matrix in HD, that's one title I skipped on DVD despite loving that film
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I guess Sony is content to let FOX and DISNEY carry the blu-ray format. It surprises me that Sony's release calendar is more on par with Paramount and Lionsgate than FOX, DISNEY, WARNER, and UNIVERSAL. It doesn't quite compute in my mind, as to why(?).
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I guess Sony is content to let FOX and DISNEY carry the blu-ray format. It surprises me that Sony's release calendar is more on par with Paramount and Lionsgate than FOX, DISNEY, WARNER, and UNIVERSAL. It doesn't quite compute in my mind, as to why(?).

I don't think anyone truly understands the decision making process at Sony.
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underwhelming from Sony. Paramount was a joke.


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Maybe Sony didn't want to steal (BDA) their thunder with Spiderman.

It's very possible that a Spiderman title is coming before the 3rd one is out but they will wait to get the most headlines.

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I'm glad you guys feel the same way about Sony and Paramount. While I am pleased with Sony technical specs of their new releases, I thought for sure they'd be showing DaVinci Code and the Spiderman series. Sure, they could still release those in 2Q or even 3Q, but you'd think they'd be trumpeting it at CES.

Here's what I think is going on. Thier first releases on BD were so poorly received that they are in the process of "re-doing" a lot of what they had planned. It's going to take a little longer for them to ramp up again.

Paramount, like I just posted in another thread: I like their product, but their offerings are a joke. Next year they oughtta save the money and stay home from CES.

So what's next? My bet is that late 1Q or 2Q, we'll start seeing the detail of 2G units from Sony, Pioneer, and Panasonic. No need to blow the whole wad right now.

The BDA is clearly dealing with CES from a position of strength. At this point, it is impossible to knock out HD DVD. So they've saved some ammo for ater in the year as counter measures for anything HD DVD can attempt to throw at them. It's clear HD DVD is in catch up mode now. I still think HD DVD will stick around solely due to Microsoft's involvement, but I don't see why anyone would buy that format right now other than to get Universal titles on a cheap player. And if it keeps up like this, it's only a matter of time before Universal cannot stay away from BD.
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I just don't get Sony, sometimes. They have so many titles that hold great appeal to the early adopter. Where's MIB, or Lawrence? They have to be holding some great HD masters of the Superdisc titles, alone.

Fox , MGM and BVE stepped to the plate with some very good (albeit not excellent) titles...Sony's software support of BD is starting to parallel their tepid support of SACD.
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So far, the Blu-ray camp as a whole made an impressive showing.

I'm very glad that Sony is finally switching to AVC. I can't wait to try out Open Season .

The one thing that's REALLY bugging me is whether or not Warner intends to include TrueHD / uncompressed PCM audio in their future Blu-ray releases, or just leave them with plain old vanilla DD 5.1.

Anyone have any idea?
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I think the Sony press release just listed titles for Quarter 1, whereas the other studios outlined their plans for the entire year.

Even so, the cumulative number of announcements is quite stunning. The number of exclusive titles is quite intimidating.

Again, my only disappointment is with the hardware...I think a ~$499 entry level player to match the A2 would have been a deathblow. (PS3 is in this price range, but alot of non-gamers won't consider using it as a dedicated BR player).
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I got my Ps3 as a BD player and couldn't be happier. An outstanding piece of gear.



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I got my Ps3 as a BD player and couldn't be happier. An outstanding piece of gear.

Yeah, I hear you, I'm in the same boat. But remember that there are a lot of non-gamers with kids, who don't want to connect a PS3 to the main HT equipment because of the fear that they will have to compete with their kids for the gear.

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those freebie demos have been damn fun, though!


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My impression is that BDA is wiping up hddvd completely. I can't see how hddvd will last through 2007 with only 1 major exlusive studio and only Toshiba really making players.

BD's just too big and growing too fast.
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I think the Sony press release just listed titles for Quarter 1, whereas the other studios outlined their plans for the entire year.

Correct, though I think the other studios went through to the summer, not the year. Spiderman 3 comes out in May...
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Sony usually announces their own "special" items at a separate event late Q1/early Q2 in Japan.

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I think a ~$499 entry level player to match the A2 would have been a deathblow.

Samsung, Sony and Panasonic probably are trying not to undercut each other at this point...they are still trying to stick together as a team to win this war. They are content to let the PS3 be the foot soldiers against HD DVD, while Samsung takes the position just above PS3 and Sony/Panasonic bringing up the rear (and Pioneer going for the real high-end sector ).

In my opinion, this is one of the reasons why it will be beneficial for consumers for this to end quickly. Once they won't have HD DVD to worry about, that team will dissolve, and the prices will come down as a result of free-for-all as those three giants will slug it out for real market share.

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The one thing that's REALLY bugging me is whether or not Warner intends to include TrueHD / uncompressed PCM audio in their future Blu-ray releases, or just leave them with plain old vanilla DD 5.1.

Same here. If the BD releases of the Harry Potter and Matrix films are dumbed down, I might just have to bite the bullet and buy an HD DVD player after I get my PS3 (which could be the death of me because I don't have much money at the moment).

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Strategy-wise is not good blowing your wad all at once.

it's good Sony holding out on Spiderman till near Spiderman 3. It will get more hype, both for the movie and the blu-ray disc.

Also Disney still hasn't announce Narnia yet, which is also a giant seller
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Though I do hope for Apple blu-ray surprise tomorrow at the MacWorld annual conference
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Strategy-wise is not good blowing your wad all at once.

it's good Sony holding out on Spiderman till near Spiderman 3. It will get more hype, both for the movie and the blu-ray disc.

Also Disney still hasn't announce Narnia yet, which is also a giant seller

I agree totally Petra. In late Spring/early Summer I would look for announcements of the Spideman films, Die Hard films, Narnia and others. I think the BDA will also announce catalog Bond releases starting in November of 2007. It is best to pace it out and wait for more players to be in homes as well.

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They did announce some new HDdvd manufacturers today like Onkyo though..


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