BLU-RAY SALES THREAD: Put all sales figures and comments here! - Page 2 - AVS Forum
Forum Jump: 
Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
post #31 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:30 AM
 
plazman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 6,313
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I am glad we have a few statisticians on this thread so, let me recap for the others:

1. Both formats have a positive trend which does not show that either format is flagging, and this is not looking like the UMD trend!

2. Avg rank trend slop is higher for BD, so it does show that there is more purchase taking place for that format.

3. However, the slope of new titles trend and released titles trend is higher or greater than the sales rank trend slope.

4. This shows that HD DVD will need fewer titles to match the sales rank of BD - given other things stay as they are.

My point is that the current trends on dvdwars by no means shows weakening of HD DVD, while showing adoption for BD. The recent slew of new titles IMHO has more to do with the sales ranking than the PS3. The PS3 impact is there, but it's the relative lack of HD DVD titles that is effecting the rankings.....should not be surprising.

dvdwars is a valuable source for analysis....
plazman is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #32 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:36 AM
AVS Special Member
 
Sketcha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
Posts: 3,094
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by plazman View Post

I am glad we have a few statisticians on this thread so, let me recap for the others:

1. Both formats have a positive trend which does not show that either format is flagging, and this is not looking like the UMD trend!

2. Avg rank trend slop is higher for BD, so it does show that there is more purchase taking place for that format.

3. However, the slope of new titles trend and released titles trend is higher or greater than the sales rank trend slope.

4. This shows that HD DVD will need fewer titles to match the sales rank of BD - given other things stay as they are.

My point is that the current trends on dvdwars by no means shows weakening of HD DVD, while showing adoption for BD. The recent slew of new titles IMHO has more to do with the sales ranking than the PS3. The PS3 impact is there, but it's the relative lack of HD DVD titles that is effecting the rankings.....should not be surprising.

dvdwars is a valuable source for analysis....

I think this is a fair analysis.

Of course if the trend continues...

We should get an idea very soon as to what Universal is planning.

However, I strongly believe that new releases (movies made within the last year) are the driving force, so if Universal can muster up a bunch of those...
Sketcha is offline  
post #33 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:39 AM
AVS Special Member
 
phansson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: usa
Posts: 2,853
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by plazman View Post

The recent slew of new titles IMHO has more to do with the sales ranking than the PS3. The PS3 impact is there, but it's the relative lack of HD DVD titles that is effecting the rankings.....should not be surprising.

I agree with you partially. I think that the PS3 is the reason why the user base is larger than it was two months ago.

Now the lack of HD DVD titles IS what is hurting that format at the moment. Did the HD DVD group not bother to think of that? At this current trend, HD DVD won't make it to the fall for their massive "300 title release".
phansson is offline  
post #34 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:40 AM
Advanced Member
 
Rusty James's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 879
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

It's slowly turning into a 'my d**k is bigger than yours' crapfest.

Slowly?

XA1 + PS3 = HD bliss
Rusty James is offline  
post #35 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:41 AM
Advanced Member
 
dallas27's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Brooklyn
Posts: 797
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Admin, can we create a sticky subject that all discussion of sales ranks, numbers, volumes, etc must be in, and redundant threads deleted?
dallas27 is offline  
post #36 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:42 AM
Advanced Member
 
Rusty James's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 879
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by phansson View Post

At this current trend, HD DVD won't make it to the fall for their massive "300 title release".

Yes. You're right. HD-DVD will be dead by fall.

XA1 + PS3 = HD bliss
Rusty James is offline  
post #37 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:43 AM
AVS Special Member
 
phansson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: usa
Posts: 2,853
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorge.a.torralb View Post

Take away the PS3 sales whcih do not count and just look at people looking to buy and HD or BD player. HD is outselling BD hardware 5:1

1.Could we see the statistics please.

2.The PS3 is a BLU RAY PLAYER!!!
phansson is offline  
post #38 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:43 AM
Advanced Member
 
Rusty James's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 879
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by dallas27 View Post

Admin, can we create a sticky subject that all discussion of sales ranks, numbers, volumes, etc must be in, and redundant threads deleted?

FANTASTIC idea.

XA1 + PS3 = HD bliss
Rusty James is offline  
post #39 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:50 AM
Advanced Member
 
csmith75's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: PA
Posts: 677
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorge.a.torralb View Post

Take away the PS3 sales whcih do not count and just look at people looking to buy and HD or BD player. HD is outselling BD hardware 5:1

One can argue that the PS3 will carry the format but the fact is that those buying a PS3 are not necessarily looking for a BD player.

Why don't the PS3 sales count? There are a quite a few people who have bought it solely for movies. Why don't they count? You can't possibly think that every PS3 owner bought it exclusively for all those games that HAVEN'T been released yet.
csmith75 is offline  
post #40 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:50 AM
Advanced Member
 
Ragnarok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 631
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by jorge.a.torralb View Post

Take away the PS3 sales whcih do not count and just look at people looking to buy and HD or BD player. HD is outselling BD hardware 5:1

One can argue that the PS3 will carry the format but the fact is that those buying a PS3 are not necessarily looking for a BD player.

Throw out the Toshiba HD-A1 since that was the first HD player available and many people probably bought it out of confusion. BD is outselling HD-DVD by 10,000:1 ftw!!!!111

Friends don't let friends game in SD.
Ragnarok is offline  
post #41 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 11:53 AM
Advanced Member
 
fa8362's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Krinkle, I have a BD player (no hd-dvd) but your thread title is misleading. Blu-ray appears to be pulling away somewhat in sales, but only in the past 3 days or so, which isn't a long enough time period to get particularly excited about. Moreover, you claimed blu-ray is pulling "far" away, when your data doesn't yet support that conclusion.
fa8362 is offline  
post #42 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 12:05 PM
AVS Special Member
 
WirelessGuru's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Seattle
Posts: 3,128
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by nyg View Post

For the better part of last year this forum was filled with threads discussing how HD DVD sales far exceeded BD sales. It's not fun anymore when the tables are turned is it?

The thing that I find amusing is last year every fanboy in this forum was crying foul about HDDVDWar's numbers. Now that Blu-Ray is out in front, the same exact people whining before now consider the website to be reference.

Last Watched 3D: Oz the Great and Powerful

It should be called Violet-Ray

WirelessGuru is offline  
post #43 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 12:22 PM
 
plazman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Washington, DC
Posts: 6,313
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
I don't know of anyone here who thought amazon.com was a valuable source last year and now discounting it. OTOH, I know lots of posters who discounted it last year, now thinks it's a valuable source.

I personally believe there are interesting observations one can gleam from this site and it does show general trends pretty well.

I'd say there are about the same number of people who are buying the BD version of Departed v. the HD DVD version. So, that to me is an interesting data point since it shows that HD DVD is very much in the game.

It's how you look at data that creates interesting information
plazman is offline  
post #44 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 12:28 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dragonyeuw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Earth
Posts: 3,132
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by WirelessGuru View Post

The thing that I find amusing is last year every fanboy in this forum was crying foul about HDDVDWar's numbers. Now that Blu-Ray is out in front, the same exact people whining before now consider the website to be reference.

What I find amusing is the emotional investment that people put into this.Pay what you can afford,own the format(S) that has your favorites,sit the hell down and watch the movie.Not directed at you personally, Wirelessguru.

Too many systems and games....not enough time or money!

dragonyeuw is offline  
post #45 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 12:30 PM
Advanced Member
 
nharmon91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Summerville, SC
Posts: 882
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
We all already knew this, how many threads have been on this same stupid site.
nharmon91 is offline  
post #46 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 12:35 PM
Senior Member
 
911lad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 323
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
What the f**k is going on with future hd-dvd movie releases? I am close to the point of giving up on the idea of buying the xbox360 hd dvd drive due to very little concrete info on what and when titles are coming out

All this wait and see what Universal do next, smacks of desperation!
Why don't they get behind hd-dvd, and start announcing grade A titles,the longer this silence goes on the more likely format neutrals will opt for the blu ray option.
Anounce Gladiator....now that would generate interest and give hd-dvd a deserved boost

Rant over

interested in both formats!
911lad is offline  
post #47 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 12:51 PM
Member
 
anttimonty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 122
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by WirelessGuru View Post

The thing that I find amusing is last year every fanboy in this forum was crying foul about HDDVDWar's numbers. Now that Blu-Ray is out in front, the same exact people whining before now consider the website to be reference.

Well I still think thedvdwars.com is biased towards HD-DVD. There are frequently big BD titles missing, sales ranks are of by thousands and what else and yet at the same time HD-DVD titles are fine or have minor flaws. What I find amusing is that even with those errors BD has still pulled ahead.
anttimonty is offline  
post #48 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 01:53 PM - Thread Starter
Advanced Member
 
krinkle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 858
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Liked: 14
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fettastic View Post

Obviously it wasn't "biased in favor of HD DVD" based on these results. You just PERCEIVED them that way because HD DVD was way ahead in sales. Now that BD is pulling ahead they're fair all of a sudden?

Hi Fett, I am not saying that DVDwars is fair all of a sudden. I am still saying that it is unfair. If it was fair Blu-ray would be much further ahead. DVDwars has a history of leaving off Blu-ray titles from its survey.

In fact, the owner of those "eproductwars" sites is on record in favor of HD-DVD.

The reason I made this thread is becuase I was an early BD supporter when you were still a HD-DVD only fan, and you were pretty vocal on these forums about it too. Don't get me wrong though, its great you joined us on the Blu-side . Back then it was very very unpopular to like BD on this site. I have stuck to my guns for months here, in spite of the hostility from HD-DVD fanboys. So I think its fair if a few of us take the time now to say "I told you so".
krinkle is offline  
post #49 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 01:55 PM
AVS Addicted Member
 
thebland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Detroit, Michigan USA
Posts: 23,702
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 118 Post(s)
Liked: 116
I can't imagine seeing 20 HD DVD releases in the next 6 months...

There are more than a handful of [op amps] that sound so good that most designers want to be using them as opposed to discreet transistors. Dave Reich, Theta 2009
thebland is online now  
post #50 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 01:57 PM
Advanced Member
 
SyHD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 876
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Updated numbers at DVD Empire:

HD DVD Blu-Ray
36.35% 63.65% Week
42.36% 57.64% Month
57.12% 42.88% Year (I think this includes 2006 data...otherwise the data would not makes sense ...IE the top two figures)

Its just a snapshot of one retailer ...take it for what its worth.

Does price really matter if you are buying a ticket on the Titanic?
SyHD is offline  
post #51 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:01 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Wendell R. Breland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 4,362
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Liked: 53
Quote:
Originally Posted by plazman View Post

I'd say there are about the same number of people who are buying the BD version of Departed v. the HD DVD version. So, that to me is an interesting data point since it shows that HD DVD is very much in the game.

It's how you look at data that creates interesting information

OK, would you like to analyze this, Casino Royale is:

Current Sales Rank: 1
All-Time Sales Rank: 63

at DVD Empire as of 01/24/2007 at 1345 hours. Impressive for a title that is still 2 months out.
Wendell R. Breland is online now  
post #52 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:02 PM
AVS Special Member
 
beatboy77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Colorado Springs, CO
Posts: 2,970
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
WOW! Blu-ray continues to DESTROY HD-DVD on :

http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/histo...TYPE=10&SPAN=0



Also on DVDEmpire.com:

http://www.dvdempire.com/index.asp?u...ite_media_id=0

Blu-Ray
Week: 63.65%
Month: 57.64%

HD-DVD
Week: 36.35%
Month: 42.36%

Blu-ray Continues Again to Widen Its Lead Over HD-DVD!! Nice!!

~Josh

hidefpreview
beatboy77 is offline  
post #53 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:07 PM
Advanced Member
 
fa8362's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland View Post

OK, would you like to analyze this, Casino Royale is:

Current Sales Rank: 1
All-Time Sales Rank: 63

at DVD Empire as of 01/24/2007 at 1345 hours. Impressive for a title that is still 2 months out.

Is it available for pre-order?
fa8362 is offline  
post #54 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:08 PM
Member
 
Archipel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 42
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
The HD DVD camp forgot that this is about movies. It is FACT now that Blu Ray is outselling HD DVD. The trend was visible with Best Buy, DVD Empire and now also on the much discussed DVD wars. Unless the HD DVD camp wakes up, they won't catch up.
Archipel is offline  
post #55 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:09 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dragonyeuw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Earth
Posts: 3,132
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 50
"So I think its fair if a few of us take the time now to say "I told you so. "

I think if bluray wins,that's enough of a 'told you so' without having to rub it in with countless threads proclaming "BLUERAY OUTSELLING HD DVD NOW!!! THE WAR IS OVEEERRRRR!!!!Not you personally,just the board in general.

Kinda monotonous after the first 100 threads on the topic.....

Too many systems and games....not enough time or money!

dragonyeuw is offline  
post #56 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:11 PM
Advanced Member
 
Ragnarok's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 631
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
HD-DVD won't last the year. Just my $.02.

Friends don't let friends game in SD.
Ragnarok is offline  
post #57 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:12 PM
AVS Special Member
 
Sketcha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Grants Pass, Oregon
Posts: 3,094
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

"So I think its fair if a few of us take the time now to say "I told you so. "

I think if bluray wins,that's enough of a 'told you so' without having to rub it in with countless threads proclaming "BLUERAY OUTSELLING HD DVD NOW!!! THE WAR IS OVEEERRRRR!!!!

You're right. But they haven't won yet, have they?
Sketcha is offline  
post #58 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:13 PM
Advanced Member
 
fa8362's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 951
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by dragonyeuw View Post

"So I think its fair if a few of us take the time now to say "I told you so. "

I think if bluray wins,that's enough of a 'told you so' without having to rub it in with countless threads proclaming "BLUERAY OUTSELLING HD DVD NOW!!! THE WAR IS OVEEERRRRR!!!!Not you personally,just the board in general.

Kinda monotonous after the first 100 threads on the topic.....

I don't agree with what he and the others are doing, but there are clowns still posting that "PS3 is a failure," "Blu-ray will disappear any day now," and "BD studios will go neutral real soon."
fa8362 is offline  
post #59 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:14 PM
AVS Special Member
 
dragonyeuw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Earth
Posts: 3,132
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Liked: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sketcha View Post

You're right. But they haven't won yet, have they?


No they haven't ,I'd hate to be on this board the day EITHER format emerged victorious.

Too many systems and games....not enough time or money!

dragonyeuw is offline  
post #60 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 02:17 PM
Advanced Member
 
jayselle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 663
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Liked: 10
Dual format owner here.

If I remember right many of the BD exclusive folks on here claimed that dvdwars was not accurate and didn't represent the market as a whole.

So now all of the sudden it does? Did I miss something?
jayselle is offline  
Closed Thread Blu-ray Software

User Tag List

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off