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post #631 of 11556 Old 01-31-2007, 10:35 PM
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Do these stats count pre-orders also or only shipped discs?

These are actual units sold - if you're talking about Amazon.com sales rankings, those will include pre-orders and are meaningless for a variety of reasons.

The videoscan numbers are the first piece of "real" software sales data we've seen.

HD-DVD is barely ahead in total units sold since inception right now. People can say what they will about a lack of new HD-DVD titles in January - that is some serious catching up that Blu-Ray has done. Apparently, since there aren't many games (and even fewer good ones), people have found something else to do with their PS3s....

I would not be surprised if Blu-Ray has exceeded HD-DVD in total software units sold by now, based on the videoscan data.
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Apparently, since there aren't many games (and even fewer good ones), people have found something else to do with their PS3s....

Ohh really? So, you're saying that people can't play games AND watch movies in a certain interval of time? It's either games or movies? Hmm...
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shoot, we've been doing both...
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Just noticed that for the first time, for either HD format, there are now two titles in the top 100 at Amazon. The two Blu-ray titles are Casino Royale and The Departed.


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The slide was attacked because it showed flat HD DVD sales through March with no upward trend at all for HD DVD despite the impending HD A2 launch. Note Feb and Mar still are in the future, so we don't know if the 3:1 sales ratio, if it is that will be sustained.

I agree that having flat software sales for HD DVD was somewhat suspicious but I remember a few posters attacking those estimated sales ratios because they truly believed they couldn't happen. Now I hear a lot of those same posters saying that it won't continue. We will see.
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Ohh really? So, you're saying that people can't play games AND watch movies in a certain interval of time? It's either games or movies? Hmm...

Well let's see. I have purchased 24 BD movies and exactly 1 game (Madden) since I got my ps3. I'd call that pretty one-sided.

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From information confidentially given to my retail channel contacts in December. From information given to me personally when I attended CES that confirmed that information. Both confirmed by other people I know that received the same information in December but didn't talk to me about it until last week.

That could be the most confusing thing I have ever read on this forum.
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Cumulatively this shows HD DVD still ahead as of Jan 14th. The 3:1 lead that the HD DVD camp mentioned from Videoscan last August or so mostly gone though.

I checked this earlier. Apparently 3:1 was JUST August, rather than "since inception". I think the most interesting thing is the SI figures. I also wouldn't be surprised if BD has matched if not surpassed HD DVD's total sales
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Apparently, since there aren't many games (and even fewer good ones), people have found something else to do with their PS3s....

There are 2 killer apps that are downloadable: Tekken 5 and Gran Turismo HD. I think it was a huge mistake to make these downloadable games. If they even charged $10, then they still would've sold like hotcakes. I mean, Tekken is the best selling fighting game franchaise (minus Street Fighter which is dead) and Gran Turismo is by far the best selling racing car game.

People ARE playing these games.

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Wow, this thread just got consolidated into (buried) a huge 22 page ramblefest that started last week. Anyone clicking on this subject line,
"BD now outselling more than 2-1..." isn't even gonna SEE this info. until like page 19 or so now! Way to bury a story!!!!!
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Wow, this thread just got consolidated into (buried) a huge 22 page ramblefest that started last week. Anyone clicking on this subject line,
"BD now outselling more than 2-1..." isn't even gonna SEE this info. until like page 19 or so now! Way to bury a story!!!!!

Please check the first post of this thread again now. I have updated it so there is a huge headline proclaiming the news for everyone to see!@!!!!
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good for you! I'd also post the My 2 cents bit from Bill Hunt

(LATE UPDATE - 1/31/07 - 4:30 PM PDT)

The first official retail tracking data from Nielsen VideoScan seems to show Blu-ray Disc outselling HD-DVD in unit software sales by a more than 2 to 1 margin, and the gap is widening. According to data reported in Home Media Retailing (you'll find it on page one of the digital edition available on their website) for the week ending 1/7/07, Year-to-Date tracking indicated that for every 47.14 HD-DVDs sold there were 100 Blu-ray Disc titles sold. Just a week later, ending 1/14/07, the same YTD tracking indicated just 38.36 HD-DVDs sold for every 100 Blu-ray Discs sold. What's more, tracking by Nielsen VideoScan since the inception of both formats appears to indicate that Blu-ray Disc is quickly erasing the sales lead HD-DVD enjoyed as a result of launching months earlier in 2006. On 1/7, HD-DVD's lead was 100 discs for every 85.05 Blu-ray Discs sold, while just a week later on 1/14, that lead had been reduced to 100 HD-DVDs for every 92.40 Blu-ray Discs sold.

Specific unit volume numbers are not available, but one would guess they're still fairly low. No doubt much of the sales surge has to do with the arrival of Sony's PS3 game system in November. We'll have to watch closely over the next few months to see if these trends are affected by specific new software/title releases on both formats from week to week. Still, this data seems to bear out claims made by the BDA at CES, to the effect that their format was outselling HD-DVD as of December 2006 and that the margin could grow to as much as 3 to 1 in early 2007. It'll be interesting to see how continuing sales of the PS3 (and new dedicated players for both formats) impact these numbers as well.

Stay tuned..."

seems like too much good news for BD gets buried real fast here...

someone from M$ must crack the whip
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Okay, I have to say that I personally disagree with merging two multi-page threads together since it makes the last several pages on the merged thread hard to read but I can at least understand why it would be done. What I don't understand though is why this is no longer the Blu-ray Sales Thread and why it is no longer a sticky thread.
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exactly, they took this evening's MUCH, MUCH smaller thread (albeit with bigger news!) and slapped it into the end of this one, but changed the title of the bigger, earlier thread to reflect news that now doesn't appear until age 19 or so. The thread title makes no sense unless you read all up to page 19 now, (except for Krinkle's quick editing of the first post to SORT of give a clue to any new readers..) and now it's not a sticky and probably won't ever be again.

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this thread was made to be the thread to discuss ALL Blu-ray sales news in.

The thread title should be changed back to "BLU-RAY SALES THREAD: Put all sales figures and comments here!" The thread should be re-stickied.

I will continue to take suggestions from anyone on what to include on the first page. When this thread started it was focused on Amazon sales rankings however it will be no problem to expand the first post to give a summary of all the latest sales news. I will look into adding DVDempire stats as well to the first post.

Does Nielson release any graphs or pie charts? I'll look to add more detailed, specific info from Nielsen as well.

Howver right now I am sleepy and going to bed. Will update again in the morning.

Great news for Blu-ray!
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No they haven't ,I'd hate to be on this board the day EITHER format emerged victorious.

When Toshiba announces the discontinuation of HD-DVD player production and/or Uni announces their first BD titles, it'll be like the Dreamcast all over again.
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Okay, I have to say that I personally disagree with merging two multi-page threads together since it makes the last several pages on the merged thread hard to read but I can at least understand why it would be done. What I don't understand though is why this is no longer the Blu-ray Sales Thread and why it is no longer a sticky thread.

I agree.
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this thread was made to be the thread to discuss ALL Blu-ray sales news in.

The thread title should be changed back to "BLU-RAY SALES THREAD: Put all sales figures and comments here!" The thread should be re-stickied.

I will continue to take suggestions from anyone on what to include on the first page. When this thread started it was focused on Amazon sales rankings however it will be no problem to expand the first post to give a summary of all the latest sales news. I will look into adding DVDempire stats as well to the first post.

Does Nielson release any graphs or pie charts? I'll look to add more detailed, specific info from Nielsen as well.

Howver right now I am sleepy and going to bed. Will update again in the morning.

Great news for Blu-ray!

I agree this thread should be restickied

Maybe renamed as a HD Sales Discussion thread adn pehaps moved to the HDTV media discussion forum as neutral territory.

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Has anyone seen the spin machine at work in the HD DVD forum? Some are trying to convince people that Videoscan are including PS3 games. Their reasoning? TheDigitalBits refers to "software" sales
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I really enjoyed reading the HD-DVD thread regarding this topic.
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Many, myself included, has been saying from the beginning tht HD DVD was doomed to fail. It was pretty simple to come to that conclusion: Sony integrated the Blu Ray technology into the next gen game player, more capacity and most important has a stranglehold on the studios. Without content, the HD DVD will wither..and with the latest Blu Ray software onslaught, this is becoming more apparent. I think we'll see more and more HD DVD folks realize this and come over to the 'dark side'. Not to mention, the machines on the HD DVD side are really quirky.. Look at all the 'problems' threads. I thought it was telling how at CEDIA Meridian had to issue a press releases contradicting Toshiba's announcement of an upcoming Meridian player...

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I've just double checked at the official figures are higher than the DVDempire ones by about 16% (50 v 66 and 56 v 72). So it seems DVDempire is more popular with HD DVD owners than the market in general. The highest "week" they had was almost 66% which could mean 82% of the entire market! Will we see a 4:1 thread soon?
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I agree this thread should be restickied

Maybe renamed as a HD Sales Discussion thread adn pehaps moved to the HDTV media discussion forum as neutral territory.

Or you can post on the thread on the general forum that I opened yesterday. It's not stickied but what can you do.

I didn't put any figures on the thread title because those damn numbers are fickle.

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I've just double checked at the official figures are higher than the DVDempire ones by about 16% (50 v 66 and 56 v 72). So it seems DVDempire is more popular with HD DVD owners than the market in general. The highest "week" they had was almost 66% which could mean 82% of the entire market! Will we see a 4:1 thread soon?

Check out play.com.........50+ BD titles to choose from as oppossed to HD-DUD,S 10 max......Looks like someone there knows the score

interested in both formats!
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The sales numbers and conclusions reached so far for '07 should surprise no one. The short term trendline was very predicable, but still does not confirm the long term trend & outcome down the road.

That said, HD has 2 things working against it for the short term:

Lack of titles for Jan-March and 2nd gen players that are not much better than the 1st gen players in quirky behavoir. I was ready to sell my 1st gen and upgrade but I'm now going to wait several weeks until they get some of the bugs worked out that should not have occurred in the 1st place. I've had zero problems with the Panasonic player, which altho slow, plays like a reg DVD player. And, I've had zero defective Blu discs compared to 6 defective HD-DVD's so far.

As many know, some 2nd gen Tosh owners are not able to get the firmware upgrade that solves critical problems with some HDMI-DVI connections. It's to the point that one of the prime Tosh dealers is sending out the firmware discs, not Toshiba. Kudos to the dealer, but SHAME on Toshiba. IMO, the marketing/engineering teams at Toshiba need a boot-in-the-ass like Sony & Co did last yr.

But, once Toshiba gets their act together and the studios start releasing more HD-DVD's again, that will tell a truer picture of where the trend is going to go. The odds are in favor of BD, but who knows at this point..

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The sales numbers and conclusions reached so far for '07 should surprise no one. The short term trendline was very predicable, but still does not confirm the long term trend & outcome down the road.

Perhaps they shouldn't be surprised, but when you bury your head in the sand you're always going to be surprised when reality hits. Long term predictions are always tough to make but given the way things are going I expect Blu-ray to not only hold the lead but extend it. Here's why:

More titles, better titles, more exclusives.
New owners coming aboard. PS3 gamers who want movies, people who are just discovering HD and HD discs and HD DVD owners going neutral or switching.
BD burner's dropping in price
BD burner's/Rom included in more PC's and possibly macs
2nd Gen machines arriving

This is also a positive feedback loop. The better BD does, the more attractive it becomes and thus does better and so it continues

There are some HD DVD events that could make a difference:
Universal releasing more titles. They say 100 this year. That will help but what's 100 v 400?
Cheaper players (ie Chinese) will open up the market to new consumers. However the effect isn't likely to be pronounced given the amazing low price already. If someone has a HDTV and prefers HD DVD chances are most of them would have a player by now. Personally $200 on a player that has a much smaller choice of titles is a false economy

Don't get me wrong, the war isn't over yet, that much is clear. But theship is running out of steam. I think the best thing for everyone is to jump off while they still can but some will wait until it's too late because they refuse to believe the predictions.
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I could care less which format wins(I have both) but here is a little story.... I was up at my local Fry's Electronics today and the Blu-Ray section was one section wide and the HD-DVD section was two wide. Last week both sections were two wide. I asked the sales guy why and he said that the HD-DVD's were doing better so they gave it more space to allow for more stock. This is at the Thunderbird Road Fry's in Phoenix Arizona. This seems to be opposite of all the stuff I'm hearing online about sales of both formats. I'm wondering if they just need the space because HD-DVD material is not selling as well and stock is starting to pile up?

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