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When did the number of standalone players sold metric shift to BD? Didn't the A2 start shipping last week of Dec? So standalone gap probably went up....
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Not sure why this thread was buried in here??? This is huge news and deserves its own thread.
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When did the number of standalone players sold metric shift to BD? Didn't the A2 start shipping last week of Dec? So standalone gap probably went up....

Correct me if I am wrong, but the only 3rd-party metric we have is from NPD, which gave BD a slight edge. If you have some other verifiable 3rd-party metric, let me know. TIA.
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The lack of HD releases is really hurting HD and looks like it will be even worse next month.

That aside, the fact that BR has 5 times the amount of BR players out and are hardly selling much more then HD is also not a good sign for BRs attach rate.

Once again, correct me if I am wrong, but I thought as of the last industry-reported numbers (Neilsen/Videoscan), BD was outselling HD DVD ~2.2 : 1, and it's been growing since the numbers were first reported.
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The scales tipped in favor of Blu-ray Disc the week ended Feb. 18, according to preliminary data.

Since the inception of both formats, the Sony-backed Blu-ray disc has now sold more units than its Toshiba-backed HD DVD competitor, according to Nielsen VideoScan First Alert data.

Buoyed by a rush of titles this year, Blu-ray has racked up a slight lead in unit sales 100 units to every 98.71 units of HD DVD since the inception of both formats, according to First Alert data.

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Welland, that chart is a few weeks old. BD has now surpassed HD-DVD since inception as well.
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Welland, that chart is a few weeks old. BD has now surpassed HD-DVD since inception as well.

That is the reason the quote was included. Then TomsHT posted:

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That aside, the fact that BR has 5 times the amount of BR players out and are hardly selling much more then HD is also not a good sign for BRs attach rate.

Not sure why Tom would post that, there is ample info that indicates BD 2:1 over HD DVD in software sales.

At first it was claimed the PS3 would not have an effect on Blu-ray because it was game console. Now it seems the same folks think all PS3's should be counted as a BD player.
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That is the reason the quote was included. Then TomsHT posted:

Not sure why Tom would post that, there is ample info that indicates BD 2:1 over HD DVD in software sales.

At first it was claimed the PS3 would not have an effect on Blu-ray because it was game console. Now it seems the same folks think all PS3's should be counted as a BD player.

Ugh, I don't know how I missed the quote below but you're right. And spot on on the PS3 thing. Now all of a sudden the PS3 is only a BD player and they're not using it for games Quite a different tune from a few months ago.
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Ugh, I don't know how I missed the quote below but you're right. And spot on on the PS3 thing. Now all of a sudden the PS3 is only a BD player and they're not using it for games Quite a different tune from a few months ago.

And don't forget the last HD DVD straw ... since there are some new games coming for the PS3, peeps are going to stop buying BDs. LOL ... where do they come up with this stuff?

Another one I just read elsewhere: since the sales of HD are inconsequential compared to DVD, whos' leading so far doesn't matter.
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http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...ass_HD_DVD/489

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Blu-ray FTW!

Jaws on HD-DVD? We're gonna need a bigger disc!
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Blu-ray FTW!

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And Kosty LOL

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since you asked....

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At first it was claimed the PS3 would not have an effect on Blu-ray because it was game console. Now it seems the same folks think all PS3's should be counted as a BD player.

For HD-DVD fans: To you, is the PS3 a game console or a BD player?

How smart does one have to be to know: For some the PS3 is a game console, for others it is a BD player, and for some it is a combo of both.


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A number of home entertainment studios have joined forces to jointly promote the Blu-ray high definition disc format in the UK.

Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Lions Gate Home Entertainment, Paramount Home Entertainment, Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, Twentieth Century Fox Home Entertainment, and Warner Brothers Home Entertainment, have pledged to work together in recognition that by uniting, they have a better chance of getting the message across that Blu-ray should be the HD disc format of choice.

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Almost forgot which do you consider the best:

HD Attach Rate = 8.3 (8.3 x 170,000) = 1,411,000 Total Disc Sold

or

BD Attach Rate = 4.2 (4.2 x 700,000) = 2,940,000 Total Disc Sold

IMO, Attach Rate means 0. It is nothing more than spin. If you believe otherwise, then show me where it was used for CD's or DVD's or LP's or LV's or ........
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Howbout some real numbers, not just these percentages?

I think most of the industry sources that have real numbers charge for them so for the most part we are going to get percentages. Heck, until recently we didn't even get that on a regular basis. As for real numbers those are in short supply but a week or two ago Sony did put out a press release in which they said that Blu-ray discs had outsold HD DVD discs in the US. I believe in that press release Sony said that both formats were just under half a million discs each in total sales. Might not sound like a lot but it isn't bad for two new competing video formats in less than a year.


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Great news, and I didn't expect to see this confirmed so quickly by Videoscan.


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attach rate

Which looks to be the main excuse made nowadays by HD DVD supporters, even Universal executives, in explaining that though Blu-ray is beating HD DVD in movie sales it isn't beating it as badly as it would had all PS3 owners bought Blu-ray movies. Honestly I don't see the negative for Blu-ray in this and almost no one thought that all PS3 owners would buy Blu-ray movies. Also as I have posted before there is very little current data on attach rates for either HD format. Especially the attach rate for PS3 owners who buy Blu-ray movies.
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That's interesting. It looks like Blu-ray's strategy of swamping the January-February dead spot with releases has paid off.

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Blu-ray FTW!

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Well it finally happened, the top 25 BD's outsold the top 10 HD DVD's sometime after midnight. I can't be bothered to check but it was true at 2:10am probably earlier.

At around the same time, there were only 2 HD DVD's in the top 10. I think the next landmark would be an all BD top 10.
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can't have enough of these here


BD movies owned = 69
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Well it finally happened, the top 25 BD's outsold the top 10 HD DVD's sometime after midnight. I can't be bothered to check but it was true at 2:10am probably earlier.

There has to be a more descriptive way of putting this point. Saying that the top 25 BDs "outsold" the top 10 HD DVDs is not making much of a claim, and does not accurately describe the point that is shown by the Amazon sales rank charts.
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lmao...

100 to 98.71. So that would equal 10000 to 9871 or 100000 to 98710 or 1000000 to 987100. looks pretty close to 50/50 to me. ok maybe 50.5/49.5. looks like all the early adopters are only interested in watching movies and not caring about which format the movie is on.

Looks like HDDVD zealots are having a hard time dealing with hard numbers and statistics.
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This is the same old news we've been hearing all week.


Teh Blu-Rhey FTW! HD-DUD supporters are getting upset at our new l337 status this month!!1111


This is what happens when a new format is introduced on a children's toy, children migrate to the AVS forum during this introductory period. It happened to the HD DVD sections when the Xbox drive was released, and it's happening to the Blu-Ray section after all those spoiled rich kids got their PS3 with no good games on Christmas.


These forums will calm down once every J6P at least slightly grasps the technological aspects of HD over SD and has no real ambition to come back to these forums.
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This is the same old news we've been hearing all week.


Teh Blu-Rhey FTW! HD-DUD supporters are getting upset at our new l337 status this month!!1111


This is what happens when a new format is introduced on a children's toy, children migrate to the AVS forum during this introductory period. It happened to the HD DVD sections when the Xbox drive was released, and it's happening to the Blu-Ray section after all those spoiled rich kids got their PS3 with no good games on Christmas.


These forums will calm down once every J6P at least slightly grasps the technological aspects of HD over SD and has no real ambition to come back to these forums.

Thanks for proving my point from my earlier post.
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I don't know what you're talking about patrick! It is "much of a claim" and I can't see why you feel it's inaccurate.
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Actually, I agree with Patrick. Surely you're not suggesting that the total sales of the 25 best selling BDs is greater than the total sales of the 10 best selling HD DVDs? Because that is the simplest way to read what you wrote. If that's the case, it's very unimpressive for BD.

I assume what you actually mean is that if you draw a line at the sales of the 25th ranked BD, there are less than 10 HD DVDs ranked better. Is that right? Otherwise, please explain because I just don't get it.
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Well it finally happened, the top 25 BD's outsold the top 10 HD DVD's sometime after midnight. I can't be bothered to check but it was true at 2:10am probably earlier.

Just to clarify this but I think camaj meant to say that the average Amazon ranking for the top 25 Blu-ray titles was lower than average Amazon ranking for the top 10 HD DVD titles. That happened for a few hours last night and I think it has actually happened a few times before for brief amounts of time.
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Actually, I agree with Patrick.

I don't disagree with him, I'd have to understand it first!

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Surely you're not suggesting that the total sales of the 25 best selling BDs is greater than the total sales of the 10 best selling HD DVDs? Because that is the simplest way to read what you wrote. If that's the case, it's very unimpressive for BD.

That's NOT impressive? Considering people have been waiting for the BD top10 to pass HD DVD, the whole of the top 25 to pass the top 10 HD DVD's is huge

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I think it has actually happened a few times before for brief amounts of time

It's come close but I don't think it's actually happened. Many times it's been 100 places apart.
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That's NOT impressive? Considering people have been waiting for the BD top10 to pass HD DVD, the whole of the top 25 to pass the top 10 HD DVD's is huge

If the TOTAL sales figures for the top 25 BDs is just greater than the TOTAL sales figures for the top 10 HD DVDs, then no, that is not impressive. It means that it takes nearly 3x as many BDs to "beat" HDs. However, I guess you are talking about sales of separate rankings (you still didn't clarify).

Are you saying that the sales for the #25 ranked BD is higher than the sales for the #1 ranked HD?? Or the #10 ranked HD??
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How do you get this relatively uneducated buyer in your example to understand why he should buy the $400 player that can only play 1000 titles instead of the $129 upconverter that plays effectively everything that's been released in the past 20 years (and lots more)

the same way you get them to buy a 1080p panel vs. a 720p? it's not like anyone with a 1080p panel is getting the benefit of the increased resolution unless they own an HD player.
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