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^ There's been a very old thread that studies the movie distribution in here :
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=715977

If there's old movies you like, you can scan through and pick them from the list.
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I was arguing this point the other day with a friend.How many worthwhile launch games are there for someone just buying a PS3?There's even less choice if you happen to be a 360 owner as well.But the allure of blueray movies on the shelf may be too much to resist.I know that if I had a PS3 right now,I'd be buying up some movies to get some early returns on the $500-600 spent on the console.The gaming software is clearly lacking right now.

Go buy one. I resisted for 6 months but I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. After giving my PS3 a good shakedown I must say I am every bit as satisfied with my experience as I was when I bought my first HD DVD player. The firmware update was accomplished just as easily via the ethernet connection as it was with the HD A1. It will rarely if ever be used for game play (although I kinda like the idea that that function is available to me as well) and with the purchase of a remote control, the PS3 is a stellar stand alone Blu-ray player ...worth every penny I paid for it. If you do, pick up "Crank" and your head will spin!
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I was arguing this point the other day with a friend.How many worthwhile launch games are there for someone just buying a PS3?There's even less choice if you happen to be a 360 owner as well.But the allure of blueray movies on the shelf may be too much to resist.I know that if I had a PS3 right now,I'd be buying up some movies to get some early returns on the $500-600 spent on the console.The gaming software is clearly lacking right now.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that holding back games was part of the Blu-ray "strategy" all along. There's really only two reasons to buy a PS3 from what I've gathered: Resistance and Blu-ray. Once their franchises start coming out, people will be snapping up the PS3s for games instead. Sure, there will be a percentage to use it for movies, too...but primarily it's going to be to play SOCOM or Final Fantasy. Like it or not, "PlayStation" is synonymous with games. Hey, that's kinda like "HD DVD" is synonymous with movies thanks to its heritage...
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I never noticed that, but I think you're right. There are number of HD DVD supporters who openly express hate for anything BD and Sony....I don't see that type of emotion from the Blu-ray side towards Universal or Toshiba, etc...

Do you ever ask yourself.... Why people have such hate for Sony? Especially when the hatred is from people that faithfully purchased Sony products in the mid-80's? There's a reason... Personally, I applaud people who make informed purchasing decisions based on a companies business practices, environmental impact, integrity, and history. Personally I will not buy Gasoline from Exxon... but that is just me.

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Really? I told you to do your homework before you came back.

Your calculations are stupid, especially since Paramount and Warner are two of the largest studios and they are format neutral. Therefore their titles count towards both. You also are not counting titles from smaller studios releasing concerts, adult films, HBO, and variety programming from companies such as HDNet. You also are not including television content in which Paramount and Universal have a ton of, along with MGM, Disney, and Fox. I am not arguing that BD will continue to have a larger library, but saying 3x the content is just an dumb statement to make, as was your little mathematical equation as you will see...

Below are the approximate number of titles each studio has rights to for distribution:

20th Century Fox - 500
Buena Vista - 300
Disney - 250
MGM/United Artists - 1250
Sony/Columbia/Tristar - 1100
Lionsgate - 300
Universal - 5000
Weinstien - 100

Sony + Disney + Fox + Lionsgate + MGM <</b> Universal + Weinstein
3700 < 5100

I'm sorry, but those numbers look completely absurd. Source? No thread links please...real sources only.
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Really? I told you to do your homework before you came back.

Your calculations are stupid, especially since Paramount and Warner are two of the largest studios and they are format neutral. Therefore their titles count towards both. You also are not counting titles from smaller studios releasing concerts, adult films, HBO, and variety programming from companies such as HDNet. You also are not including television content in which Paramount and Universal have a ton of, along with MGM, Disney, and Fox. I am not arguing that BD will continue to have a larger library, but saying 3x the content is just an dumb statement to make, as was your little mathematical equation as you will see...

Below are the approximate number of titles each studio has rights to for distribution:

20th Century Fox - 500
Buena Vista - 300
Disney - 250
MGM/United Artists - 1250
Sony/Columbia/Tristar - 1100
Lionsgate - 300
Universal - 5000
Weinstien - 100

Sony + Disney + Fox + Lionsgate + MGM <</b> Universal + Weinstein
3700 < 5100

All that matters is new content and the release schedule. The release schedules over the next 20 days or so is actually 36 to 8, that's 4.5X as many. If you want to get technical.

Frankly, no one wants to buy library movies we all have them on DVD already, new content will dominate the sales of Hi-def DVDs. And who has had the best box office movies the last few years? Universal who? Sony, Buena Vista/Disney, Fox.

One point a lot of people are missing is to be so high in the sales ranks for DVDs overall, which is what DVD wars measures, the Hi-def DVDs in the DVD sales ranks. BD is at around 350-400, HD-DVD is at 550-600. That's a much larger sales difference than lower sale ranks. Back when they were around 800-1000 that's a lot less sales.

But anyway, I like Blu-rays upcoming content, and it's not available on HD-DVD, so that's where the majority of my money will go.
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Go buy one. I resisted for 6 months but I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. After giving my PS3 a good shakedown I must say I am every bit as satisfied with my experience as I was when I bought my first HD DVD player. The firmware update was accomplished just as easily via the ethernet connection as it was with the HD A1. It will rarely if ever be used for game play and with the purchase of a remote control, the PS3 is a stellar stand alone Blu-ray player ...worth every penny I paid for it. If you do, pick up "Crank" and your head will spin!

Well currently I'm suffering from post christmas credit card shock.Once I'm over that,maybe around March-April,I'll look into getting a PS3 in all likelihood.There's not much gamewise for me yet,including Virtua Fighter,so the PS3 will likely be used exclusively for BR movies till a game comes along that impresses me enough to put down $60 for it.Right now,I got Casino Royale,Xmen 3,Ice Age Meltdown,and Commando as my first purchases.I'll check out Crank too.

Too many systems and games....not enough time or money!

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No way. The format war is over and BD has won. It's all about content. You have three times as many releases you get three times the shelf real estate. If you can't see the competition, soon enough it's not there.

Wow, pretty serious talk from a neutral guy who has 31 HD DVDs and only 11 BDs. You must be just getting started, eh?
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I'm sorry, but those numbers look completely absurd. Source? No thread links please...real sources only.

IMDB - US Home Video Distribution. It lists every movie. Those numbers are legit. Check for yourself. I don't post FUD like so many others do here. I'm not being an HD-DVD fanboy either. I am calling out BS and misinformation on both sides when I see it. I'm what you call "sick of the fanboys".

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Wow, pretty serious talk from a neutral guy who has 31 HD DVDs and only 11 BDs. You must be just getting started, eh?

Haha... how did I not notice that 3x ratio. The irony!

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I was arguing this point the other day with a friend.How many worthwhile launch games are there for someone just buying a PS3?There's even less choice if you happen to be a 360 owner as well.But the allure of blueray movies on the shelf may be too much to resist.I know that if I had a PS3 right now,I'd be buying up some movies to get some early returns on the $500-600 spent on the console.The gaming software is clearly lacking right now.

I've been saying this as well; along the lines of...

What did a million plus PS3 owners buy the PS3 for, all those stellar launch titles?
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Ok, the Intellectual Honesty Police are here to make an arrest. First of all, when the HD DVD supporters were doing the majority of their bragging, Bly-ray was 1000-3000 ranking points behind HD DVD, a very sizable difference. Now, HD DVD is around 200 points (give ot take) behind Blu-ray, which is far, far, far less of a difference, yet the gloating is as intense or more so. Furthermore, the first couple weeks in January, following CES, HD DVD was holding onto the lead consistently and at time was 100-150 points ahead and there was no braggadocio from them. Of course, the fallout from CES and the realization of Blu-ray momentum probably had something to do with that, but they reality is that the HD DVD gloating was at least commensurate with the advantage they held. Now, Blu-ray supporters see a little daylight between them and HD DVD and they are acting like they won the World Series. I can't help but see the parallel with how this hype matches the hype from the BDA. You do realize that HD DVD is still holding their own, don't you?, in spite of the ridiculous advantages in install base, studios, and CE's. Oh, I get it, sorry you don't have Universal also (at least yet) and another 2 or 3 million PS3 installs. Then you could brag some more. Ever think that maybe Blu-ray should have simply won on merit, and not required bludgeoning the enitre populace with the PS3, promotion, and hyperbole in order to win?

You're telling me nothing I don't already know. For the record though, I haven't started any of the threads about sales figures. I've just responded to some of them. Are they ridiculous? Sure, but so are most of the BD/HD DVD threads at AVS. This place is overrun by fanboys on both sides of the format war. I am pleased to read that BD sales have eclipsed HD DVD sales though. Some of the HD DVD diehards insisted that couldn't and wouldn't happen. Many argued the PS3 would not help Blu-ray. I have no problem with people pointing out that they are wrong. I'm not saying they need to go over the top like a few are but such is the nature of some AVS members. Thanks for the rant though. I don't know why you opened yet another sales figures thread if it upsets you so much.
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Do you ever ask yourself.... Why people have such hate for Sony? Especially when the hatred is from people that faithfully purchased Sony products in the mid-80's? There's a reason... Personally, I applaud people who make informed purchasing decisions based on a companies business practices, environmental impact, integrity, and history. Personally I will not buy Gasoline from Exxon... but that is just me.

And you should be proud. I too avoid Exxon at every turn.

But if Exxon became the only ones who sold gasoline, would you walk everywhere?

I guess you could ride your bike, if your commute is light, but forget flying or any kind of serious travel. Would you deny yourself so many of life's pleasures out of spite?
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I've been saying this as well; along the lines of...

What did a million plus PS3 owners buy the PS3 for, all those stellar launch titles?


I'd say the PS3 has definitely impacted this 'war'.The first few million sold are a combo of early adopters/sony fans/blueray fans.If BR software sales have suddenly jumpstarted in the past month or so,I'd say that lines up pretty well with PS3 penetration into people's homes.As I stated before,even though this is just my viewpoint,if I owned a PS3 nothing gamingwise interests me for the next few months.Well what should I do with my brand new spanky PS3?? Why not buy some BR movies in the meantime??And the big announcement of titles at CES was timed pefectly with people just getting their PS3's.

Too many systems and games....not enough time or money!

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Really? I told you to do your homework before you came back.

Your calculations are stupid, especially since Paramount and Warner are two of the largest studios and they are format neutral. Therefore their titles count towards both. You also are not counting titles from smaller studios releasing concerts, adult films, HBO, and variety programming from companies such as HDNet. You also are not including television content in which Paramount and Universal have a ton of, along with MGM, Disney, and Fox. I am not arguing that BD will continue to have a larger library, but saying 3x the content is just an dumb statement to make, as was your little mathematical equation as you will see...

Below are the approximate number of titles each studio has rights to for distribution:

20th Century Fox - 500
Buena Vista - 300
Disney - 250
MGM/United Artists - 1250
Sony/Columbia/Tristar - 1100
Lionsgate - 300
Universal - 5000
Weinstien - 100

Sony + Disney + Fox + Lionsgate + MGM <</b> Universal + Weinstein
3700 < 5100

Your numbers lowballing the catalogs of Blu-ray studios have been debunked many times over.

That said, you're not going to see Universal or any other studio bringing very many B&W silent films out of their catalogs for high-definition release. If you think the commercially viable catalog of Universal is larger than all of the other Blu-ray exclusive studios combined, than I have some swamp land to sale you.

Here are some actual facts on where the commercially viable releases are:

Top 20 2006 Box Office

#1 Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest / Disney BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE announced 5/22/07

#2 Cars / Disney BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE announced 6/5/07

#3 X-Men: The Last Stand / Fox BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE released 11/14/06

#4 The Da Vinci Code / Sony BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE announced no date

#5 Night at the Museum / Fox BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE rumoured 3/20/07

#6 Superman Returns / WB dual-format released 11/28/06

#7 Ice Age: The Meltdown / Fox BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE released 11/21/06

#8 Happy Feet / WB dual-format announced 3/27/06

#9 Casino Royale / Sony BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE announced 3/13/07

#10 Over the Hedge / Paramount/DW dual-format no announcement

#11 Talladega Nights / Sony BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE released 12/12/06

#12 The Pursuit of Happyness / Sony BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE no announcement

#13 Click / Sony BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE released 10/10/06

#14 Mission: Impossible III / Paramount dual-format released 10/30/06

#15 Borat / Fox BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE no announcement

#16 The Devil Wears Prada / Fox BLU-RAY EXCLUSIVE released 12/12/06

#17 The Departed / WB dual-format announced 2/13/07

#18 The Break-Up / Universal HD DVD exclusive released 10/17/06

#19 Scary Movie 4 / Weinstein HD DVD exclusive released 12/19/06

#20 Failure to Launch / Paramount dual-format announced 2/6/07
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Haha... how did I not notice that 3x ratio. The irony!

I probably didn't word that as well as I could have.

I took his post seriously as someone who recently became neutral from the HD DVD camp and is declaring the war over and BD has won!

That's pretty serious talk, AFAIC.
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IMDB - US Home Video Distribution. It lists every movie. Those numbers are legit. Check for yourself.

I just checked imdb and I see a lot more than 500 titles listed. Many aren't home video rights, but there are clearly more than 500 on the list.

Also, Amazon lists 2260 Fox DVD titles. A couple hundred are TV DVDs, but please explain how Fox can have around 2000 DVD movie titles listed at Amazon (and those are only the Fox titles that Amazon currently carries), if they only have home video distribution rights to 500 titles.

http://www.amazon.com/Fox-Titles-DVD...F8&node=908716

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Boart is available for pre-order on Amazon. So it must be coming out eventually, or soon.
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Borat (sp) is available for pre-order on Amazon. So it must be coming out eventually, or soon.

Or a mistake on Amazon. That is my guess, although I hope I'm wrong.

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That said, you're not going to see Universal or any other studio bringing very many B&W silent films out of their catalogs for high-definition release. If you think the commercially viable catalog of Universal is larger than all of the other Blu-ray exclusive studios combined, than I have some swamp land to sale you.

I agree with you.... My point was to debunk your 3x the content comment. Never once did I say Universal was going to release more than all Blu-Ray's exclusives, I also think the quality of content on BD's exclusive side is better. I just listed their home distribution rights numbers. Comeon man... give in a little from your bravado and just admit the 3x the content comment was a bit absurd.

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Also, Amazon lists 2260 Fox DVD titles. A couple hundred are TV DVDs, but please explain how Fox can have around 2000 DVD movie titles listed at Amazon (and those are only the Fox titles that Amazon currently carries), if they only have home video distribution rights to 500 titles.

Yeah, I knew that might come up. Fox has sold the rights to a lot of those. Owning the library and owning distribution rights are two different things. MGM is another studio that has sold a lot of it's library to Sony and Warner over the years. You also cannot go by DVD numbers, they could have had the rights at the time it was released on DVD and since lost them and DVD numbers also count all formats, incuding Widescreen, Fullscreen, Collectors Editions, Double Dips, etc.

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I have come to realize that most Bluray owners on these threads are ignorant people. I am format neatrul and am just happy to have good high def content in its best form! Stop fighting with each other and go watch a high def movie!
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I agree with you.... My point was to debunk your 3x the content comment. Never once did I say Universal was going to release more than all Blu-Ray's exclusives, I also think the quality of content on BD's exclusive side is better. I just listed their home distribution rights numbers. Comeon man... give in a little from your bravado and just admit the 3x the content comment was a bit absurd.

Yeah, I knew that might come up. Fox has lost the rights to a lot of those. You also cannot go by DVD numbers, they could have had the rights at the time it was released on DVD and since lost them and DVD numbers also count all formats, incuding Widescreen, Fullscreen, Collectors Editions, Double Dips, etc.

2000 is a lot, 1500 more than your list claims. I'm not buying it...sorry.
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And you should be proud. I too avoid Exxon at every turn.

But if Exxon became the only ones who sold gasoline, would you walk everywhere?

Nah... I'd use their Gasoline.... but I'd probably talk $h*t about them on the internet message boards.

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2000 is a lot, 1500 more than your list claims. I'm not buying it...sorry.

Well, I explained it to you. If you really want a history lesson or to see the numbers from another source, all you have to do is look here:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=726675

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Nah... I'd use their Gasoline.... but I'd probably talk $h*t about them on the internet message boards.

LOL!!!
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Hey Wireless, do you give up now? The linked article is dated 5/31/2006...6 months ago.

"With distribution of the MGM library, Fox gains significant DVD market share. Fox will collectively hold distribution rights to approximately 8,000 film titles and stands to capture about 17% of U.S. consumer spending on home entertainment."

http://www.videobusiness.com/index.a...leid=CA6339508
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I agree with you.... My point was to debunk your 3x the content comment. Never once did I say Universal was going to release more than all Blu-Ray's exclusives, I also think the quality of content on BD's exclusive side is better. I just listed their home distribution rights numbers. Comeon man... give in a little from your bravado and just admit the 3x the content comment was a bit absurd.

It's not absurd at all. See the list of the top 20 2006 box office releases by hd camp I posted. It's 18 BD to 8 HD DVD. Exclusives are 12 BD to 2 HD DVD with the entire top 5 as Blu-ray exclusive while the HD DVD exclusives are on the tail end of commercial success at #18 and #19.

You don't honestly think that retailers are going to make the space to shelf the entire catalogs of Blu-ray and HD DVD as the format war drags on, do you? No way. The prime shelf space goes to new releases. Blu-ray has them, HD DVD not so much.

I know a lot of people are heavily invented into HD DVD, but you need to ignore sunk costs and look to the future. Studio support isn't coming. If you want the most content for your HDTV, you need Blu-ray.
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Wireless gone silent? Out of range??
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Here are some actual facts on where the commercially viable releases are:

Top 20 2006 Box Office

Very informative post. Thanks for doing the "leg work".
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Do you ever ask yourself.... Why people have such hate for Sony? Especially when the hatred is from people that faithfully purchased Sony products in the mid-80's? There's a reason... Personally, I applaud people who make informed purchasing decisions based on a companies business practices, environmental impact, integrity, and history. Personally I will not buy Gasoline from Exxon... but that is just me.

I applaud that too....but I don't think that's the true reason why these people are so negative.
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The most telling numbers to me are on dvdempire.com this week 65% to 35% for Blu-ray, that's partly due to Tuesdays new releases. They had 12 or 13 Blu-ray movies come out Tuesday. But it's going to be that way for the next few weeks, 5 or 6 new Blu-rays every week. And about 10 or so on February 13th.
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The most telling numbers to me are on dvdempire.com this week 65% to 35% for Blu-ray, that's partly due to Tuesdays new releases. They had 12 or 13 Blu-ray movies come out Tuesday. But it's going to be that way for the next few weeks, 5 or 6 new Blu-rays every week. And about 10 or so on February 13th.

And a killer March (Casino Royale, Borat, Night at the Museum, and Rocky Balboa) I cant wait.
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