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post #1171 of 11556 Old 03-11-2007, 10:17 PM
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If there's only one format with no competition, there's no drive to reduce cost. There's no drive to introduce new technologies timely. No drive to reduce pricing. No drive to increase quality.

So what you have is very expensive players with companies that don't give a **** about what consumers think because there's no competition or alternative to the product you're selling, so the consumer will just have to live with it.

Yeah, look what happened to DVD...

Your problem (and the problem of many others here) is that you don't seem to realize that a format is a STANDARD which encompasses many competing companies, which is why you still get a motivation to reduce cost, increase quality, and cater to the consumer.
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Did I miss all the HD DVD ads this Sunday? Blu-ray was certainly prominent at Best Buy, Circuit City, and CompUSA.





Even Sears got in on the act with their Sony sale


Best buy had Casino Royale on all their TVs and portable DVD players (except for the two sets on the back page) with the tagline, "ON DVD AND BLU-RAY DISC".

CompUSA even had Casino Royale on a Gateway computer.


The BDA is way way better at marketing than the HD DVD Promotional Group.
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The Worlds Fastest Indian is on sale on both formats. On HD DVD it is #222, on Blu-ray #74. I would have thought the HD DVD version would be higher up?

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I would also mention that the World's Fastest Indian is also available on HD-DVD at $14.95 right now on Amazon. However it is not doing too well in the rankings is it? This example disproves the hypothesis that HD-DVD would do this well if they had a sale..

It's being hurt badly by the shipping estimate amazon is giving on the main page saying "Ships in 3-6 WEEKS"
However after I bought it my order tracking screen says it'll ship monday.

That 3-6 weeks is putting a lot of the HD camp off of that movie.

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If there's only one format with no competition, there's no drive to reduce cost. There's no drive to introduce new technologies timely. No drive to reduce pricing. No drive to increase quality.

So what you have is very expensive players with companies that don't give a **** about what consumers think because there's no competition or alternative to the product you're selling, so the consumer will just have to live with it.

What would happen if there were no nintendo, pc gaming, or sony? What if barriers were extremely high to enter the market? Do you think MS would have as much incentive to release quality games & keep consoles/software at affordable prices?

wow even though this post has been addressed with replies I still had to get mine in. This is absolutely ridiculous. What was the competition for VHS? DVD? You really need to think before typing.

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The war caused both formats to be released before they were ready for prime time. The XBOX360 wasn't ready when it was released last year. The A1 wasn't ready. The Samsung wasn't ready. And the PS3 wasn't ready. Competition has lead to more bugs and lesser quality due to the products being rushed to market. Seems that everything nowadays are betas. And the consumers are being used for product testing and quality control. Therefore, it's the early adopters who lose not the businesses. Businesses get to sell crappy 1st gen hardware and software, find out what the bugs are from consumers, then sell 2nd gen hardware and sofware to those same consumers.

Had there been only one format, the companies could have worked out all the bugs and released their product when it was actually ready.

We still would have gotten picture quality that wasn't as good as it could be. These movie companies are addicted to the double, triple and quadruple dip and we wouldn't be gettting the transfers we are had there been no competition. I love all my stuff and I don't consider that I lost anything. Now if I was still waiting for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray(which according to you we still would be) I would be pissed.

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wow even though this post has been addressed with replies I still had to get mine in. This is absolutely ridiculous. What was the competition for VHS? DVD? You really need to think before typing.


How many copies of certain movies have you bought over the lifespan of dvd? What was that about thinking?

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Yeah, look what happened to DVD...

Your problem (and the problem of many others here) is that you don't seem to realize that a format is a STANDARD which encompasses many competing companies, which is why you still get a motivation to reduce cost, increase quality, and cater to the consumer.


You also get the motivation to rip the consumer on the same movie over and over by giving them a slow rise to the best quality. The movie companies are thrilled with double and triple dips. Keep both formats and we will continue to get more releases in a quicker time frame and they will be of higher quality.

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You'll be shorted when HD DVD fails to reach mass adoption levels, unless you own a universal player. If HD DVD fails there won't be any need for universal players and Toshiba won't be making any new HD DVD door stops so you'll have to buy your HD DVDs all over again on Blu-ray.


I have two HD-DVD players and one Blu-Ray player but just because one or the other stops making movies doesn't mean my player just dies. I will continue to enjoy movies on which ever format dies with my existing player(I'll even buy a back up player because they will be cheap when the format dies). The best thing in the world for us consumers is for both to survive.

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Did I miss all the HD DVD ads this Sunday? Blu-ray was certainly prominent at Best Buy, Circuit City, and CompUSA.


The BDA is way way better at marketing than the HD DVD Promotional Group.


You must have missed last weeks ads. They ran the HD-DVD stuff last week with Best Buy and some other stores pushing the 5 free movies deal. I agree that BDA is doing a better job though. I think Sony doesn't want any part of another one of their formats not making it.

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I didn't see any threads about this, so I'm posting it.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...Comparison/514

Quick summary:

- February overall sales: Blu Ray sells 250,000 discs, HD-DVD sells 125,000
- The Departed: Blu Ray sells 20,000, HD-DVD sells 13,000
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I hope some of you can look at these numbers and realize the insignificance of either format at this point in the game. Not exactly tearing the up charts.

We're not anywhere close to mass consumer level.
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I think the main reason is the PCM track. If it didn't have that the numbers would be the opposite.
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I hope some of you can look at these numbers and realize the insignificance of either format at this point in the game. Not exactly tearing the up charts.

We're not anywhere close to mass consumer level.

eh... so? It just started... what exactly do you expect? I think Casino Royale going up to 11 on Amazon tells you that it gets better, as more and more people buy BD players.

I dont see your point at all. Are you trying to defend sure defeat of HD-DVD or?

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I hope some of you can look at these numbers and realize the insignificance of either format at this point in the game. Not exactly tearing the up charts.

It's less than a year old, and according to some both formats are actually selling better than DVD when it first started. I'd say the fact that CR (Blu-ray) can beat CR (fullscreen) in the rankings (and perhaps break the Top 10) suggest good things to come
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I think the main reason is the PCM track. If it didn't have that the numbers would be the opposite.

How do you figure? The HD DVD release had a TrueHD track.
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How do you figure? The HD DVD release had a TrueHD track.

Exactamundo. And if The Departed only had a DD+ track as per usual, then the HD DVD would have sold more.
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We still would have gotten picture quality that wasn't as good as it could be.

I suggest that you do a little research into D-VHS D-Theater in terms of PQ. A little hint, many still consider I, Robot on D-Theater as the best movie PQ available, U-571 was also a reference D-Theater title. And there was not a competing format of any kind to D-Theater at the time.
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I hope some of you can look at these numbers and realize the insignificance of either format at this point in the game. Not exactly tearing the up charts.

We're not anywhere close to mass consumer level.

Yeah I started laughing when I saw 20k and 13k, considering that each reached the top20 on amazon this shows the insignificance of the formats and the rankings.
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in its first week of release, 'The Departed' sold 20,000 units on Blu-ray versus 13,000 on HD DVD.

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Exactamundo. And if The Departed only had a DD+ track as per usual, then the HD DVD would have sold more.

You must be confused, the HD DVD had a DD TrueHD (lossless) audio track.
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Yeah I started laughing when I saw 20k and 13k, considering that each reached the top20 on amazon this shows the insignificance of the formats and the rankings.

Actually, only the Blu-ray BARELY hit the Top 20, and only for like a day....

also, high-def digest seems to be wrong...the original press release mentions 23k for the blu-ray version, NOT 20k.
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most people have only one format and i don't think ones is going to sell more then the other just because of a PCM track. Besides only a few people even have recievers that can take audio from hdmi.
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Actually, only the Blu-ray BARELY hit the Top 20, and only for like a day....

also, high-def digest seems to be wrong...the original press release mentions 23k for the blu-ray version, NOT 20k.

mmmmmm, no. Both were in the top 20. Unfortunatly the dvd wars only has graphs since march so I cant show you.
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I suggest that you do a little research into D-VHS D-Theater in terms of PQ. A little hint, many still consider I, Robot on D-Theater as the best movie PQ available, U-571 was also a reference D-Theater title. And there was not a competing format of any kind to D-Theater at the time.

I'm talking about DVD. Do you really think Sony would have gotten its act together with the transfers if HD-DVD wasn't around? Heck no they wouldn't have. They were planning on the triple dip this time around just like with regular dvd. Sony didn't make D-Theater did it? That's what I thought!

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mmmmmm, no. Both were in the top 20. Unfortunatly the dvd wars only has graphs since march so I cant show you.

I use this:
http://www.hdgamedb.com/amazon/versus.aspx

The Departed (Blu-ray) hit #19 at one short point, but other than that the highest they've been seems to be the Top 30....rankings in the 20s are not Top 20...
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I didn't see any threads about this, so I'm posting it.

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...Comparison/514

Quick summary:

- February overall sales: Blu Ray sells 250,000 discs, HD-DVD sells 125,000
- The Departed: Blu Ray sells 20,000, HD-DVD sells 13,000

This shows the power of sales and two for one sales.

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This shows the power of sales and two for one sales.

The two-for-one sale started in March ...
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The two-for-one sale started in March ...


Not at Best Buy and Fry's. They were the ones running the two for one deals. The Amazon sale is the one that started in March and its not as good as the other deals were.

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I'm talking about DVD. Do you really think Sony would have gotten its act together with the transfers if HD-DVD wasn't around? Heck no they wouldn't have. They were planning on the triple dip this time around just like with regular dvd. Sony didn't make D-Theater did it? That's what I thought!

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We still would have gotten picture quality that wasn't as good as it could be. These movie companies are addicted to the double, triple and quadruple dip and we wouldn't be gettting the transfers we are had there been no competition. I love all my stuff and I don't consider that I lost anything. Now if I was still waiting for HD-DVD or Blu-Ray(which according to you we still would be) I would be pissed.

I simply pointed out that great HD movie PQ was already available in a format that did not have a competitor. And so you will know, BDA ≠ Sony, the BDA = and many more!!!
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I have two HD-DVD players and one Blu-Ray player but just because one or the other stops making movies doesn't mean my player just dies. I will continue to enjoy movies on which ever format dies with my existing player(I'll even buy a back up player because they will be cheap when the format dies). The best thing in the world for us consumers is for both to survive.

Are you going to buy 2 copies of every HD DVD too? You know you're screwing up the HD DVD camp's beloved attach rate don't you?
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