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post #181 of 11556 Old 01-24-2007, 10:00 PM
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Instead of getting all worked up for no good reason, search the forum. There is a sticky at the top. AFI "100 Years, 100 Films" and Top 100 Adjusted Box Office broken down by format!

kosty and bferr did a lot of work to compile the list of movies from all the studios.

I don't know about other people, but I have no interest in getting Plan 9 on highdef (or movies that are ranked 2000+ on a list - probably unwatchable). From kosty's earlier post in the above thread, here's the breakdown as far as ALL worldwide known movies are distributed :

BD

Lions Gate 773
Sony Pictures 2219
Fox 5156
Buena Vista (Disney) 2233
MGM 4250
Warner 6405
Paramount 3673
Bandai 153
HBO 1027
New Line 753
CBS Television 2699
Vivid 684

TOTAL 30025

HD-DVD

Warner 6405
Paramount 3673
Universal 4252
Bandai 153
Weinstein 81
HBO 1027
New Line 753
Studio Canal 145
CBS Television 2699
Vivid 684
Wicked Pictures 423

TOTAL 20295

Here's the DVD's bought in 2006 broken down by studio :


There's a ton of information here, and if everyone just sat down and read them all, we would get rid of all the unnecessary bickering, and save our energy for the necessary bickering.

You are missing 2 more Adult movie studios that are EXCLUSIVE to HD DVD that are not on your list=

1) High Def Home Entertainment &

2) Digital Playground

What does the number come up to now?

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/...e-HD-DVD.xhtml

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Adult Film Producers Choose HD DVD

By Jonathan Takiff
Philadelphia Daily News
01/24/07 9:08 AM PT

The high-definition DVD format received a boost recently when three adult film production companies -- Wicked Pictures, Digital Playground and High Def Home Entertainment -- announced that their first high-definition porn titles will be in HD DVD only. Another firm, Vivid Entertainment, said one of its titles would be available in both HD DVD and Blu-ray formats.

By the way, you do realize that your graph is for DVD sales not High Def right?

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Well, before you make a comment like that, I have the Sony BDP-S1 and a PS3. All hooked up to a Sony "Pearl" projector.

If you could tell the difference between the two of them on video/audio quality you are better than me. I can't tell the difference except when using the 1080p/24 output on the BDP-S1.

Don't kid yourself. The PS3, for a high definition disc player, is probably one of the best on the market. As far as loading times, it pretty much blows any stand alone player out of the water. Mine has never froze up(Sony does on SD occasionally), no audio sync problems (Toshiba HD-A1 did this constantly).

I think the PS3 is the best "value" on the market today. Including all Blu Ray players and any HD DVD player. For you to make that comment above makes me believe you have never seen a PS3 in action other than a store display.

Actually, I have. I have 2 friends that have owned one.

One had it bail out after the first firmware update.

Second has it and has a couple of movies and 4 games. It's fairly slick, but I just don't care for the content out there game-wise. BD looks nice. Again, I don't use consoles for my disc based player. That is un-needed wear and tear. Especially given the track record for the PS and the PS2. I owned somewhere around 6 of each because they kept bailing out - from regular use. It sucked, but they dropped to a reasonable price so it didn't hurt TOO badly to replace them. I don't want to replace a PS3 in a year. Sony's track record for build quality isn't top notch - and no one can deny that.

Not to mention I can't use my Harmony with it. Bluetooth remote? Are they on crack?

Anyway, I stand by my statements. I can see how people can find value in the PS3 - I just don't. I would have rather them take the 360 approach and let people choose an addon if they wanted movies, but that doesn't fit into Sony's plan at all.

I will buy into BR at some point, Sony just hasn't given me a reason to just yet.

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what was that HD-DVD sarcastic chant "just wait", lol quite a role reversal now.

No, HD DVD has been beating Blu-ray for 7 months straight in software and sales; to suddenly start judging the first 3 weeks of sales in the new year as Blu-ray is PULLING AWAY???
I'm sorry but that is a mathematical impossibility. We are supposed to suddenly forget 7 months of headway because BR has now started to do better in 3 weeks? That is nonsensical and irrational statistics. We wait another 7 full months, tally the numbers OF MOVIES SOLD (NOT RELEASED) during the combined 14 month span, and then we get a more realistic number. That's common sense, and the proper way to measure averages.

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No, HD DVD has been beating Blu-ray for 7 months straight in software and sales; to suddenly start judging the first 3 weeks of sales in the new year as Blu-ray is PULLING AWAY???
I'm sorry but that is a mathematical impossibility. We are supposed to suddenly forget 7 months of headway because BR has now started to do better in 3 weeks? That is nonsensical and irrational statistics. We wait another 7 full months, tally the numbers OF MOVIES SOLD (NOT RELEASED) during the combined 14 month span, and then we get a more realistic number. That's common sense, and the proper way to measure averages.

Not started to do better. Started to do better than HD-DVD. There's a big difference.
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Not started to do better. Started to do better than HD-DVD. There's a big difference.

Even if that were factual, IT'S STILL TOO EARLY TO TELL! 3 WEEKS MAN!

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DOH! Looks like it gets worse every day for HD-DVD.

number in top 10000



titles available to purchase


salesrank of top 10




Its never too late for an HD-DVD fan to make the smart choice and upgrade to a PS3 for only $499.
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DOH! Looks like it gets worse every day for HD-DVD.

number in top 10000



titles available to purchase


salesrank of top 10



Its never too late for an HD-DVD fan to make the smart choice and upgrade to a PS3 for only $499.

You are the funniest guy in this forum.

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Im sure this was posted a million times, but why do BD folks LOVE dvdwars all of a sudden? Heck even my close personal friend use to rag me over that site, saying how stupid and wrong it was. Now, he seems to like it pfffft!

I'd love to get my hands on a Blu Monster's Ball.-LilStinky

Refering to a possible release of said movie on BD LOL
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Im sure this was posted a million times, but why do BD folks LOVE dvdwars all of a sudden? Heck even my close personal friend use to rag me over that site, saying how stupid and wrong it was. Now, he seems to like it pfffft!

Because for several weeks, months even, HD DVD fanboys used DVDwars to "prove" how seriously bad Blu-Ray is and how HD DVD beat the s**t out of Blu-Ray. Now the tides are turning, all of a sudden it's not so funny anymore
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You are missing 2 more Adult movie studios that are EXCLUSIVE to HD DVD that are not on your list=

1) High Def Home Entertainment &

2) Digital Playground

What does the number come up to now?

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/...e-HD-DVD.xhtml



By the way, you do realize that your graph is for DVD sales not High Def right?

Maybe he posted the graph because of the possible projection on High-Def sales Which would mean that when the good Disney/Pixar and Fox movies start hitting shelves (keeping DVD graph in mind) BD sales will boost even further away.

HD DVD has to start and come up with good movies, not those lousy American Pie series which won't help them at all. Universal needs to start working on Jurassic Park!

Funny though, HD DVD owners keep coming up with porn sales. Looks like that's the only thing it will be know for......a shame really!
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Im sure this was posted a million times, but why do BD folks LOVE dvdwars all of a sudden? Heck even my close personal friend use to rag me over that site, saying how stupid and wrong it was. Now, he seems to like it pfffft!

As replied a million times, That site was rubbish to start with and it's still rubbish. However, they have started to be a bit fairer. They added the average for the top 10 titles (before it was just "number in top x"). It's still inaccurate and sale rank can only tell you what's more popular, but it can't say how much more popular.


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Blu-ray is PULLING AWAY???

In daily sales? Yes! Sure, in cumulative sales it has a to catch up however as long as it outsells HD DVD every day it will catch and then over take HD DVD. Really the most important indication is daily sales trends. We can see that HD DVD has sold solidly since launch but BD is growing rapidly. If the trend continues sales of HD DVD discs will drop and the gap will widen quicker.

A 7/8 month lead is misleading because it doesn't tell you how close it was for that period. If it was narrowly ahead for 7 months then the difference can be wiped out if there's a big gap for only 3 months.
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The first 2 mos there was no BD to buy...

BD gave them a 2 mos head start and HD DVD still blew it.

At the current rate, HD DVD will fade away. the 2 lists of new releases for HD DVD are small and, frankly, embarrassing titles.


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The most important measure IMO that tells us if one format is losing is to see how same titles available for both formats on the same date.
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Perhaps,

But that would only be 1 in 10 releases. HD DVD has little content.

Imagine the one sided sales figures when Casino Royal, Cars, and Pirates hit the scene and Hd DVD has releases like Harry & the Hendersons.....


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The most important measure IMO that tells us if one format is losing is to see how same titles available for both formats on the same date.

That is not necessarily so. Clerks2 did really well on Amazon's ranking. But do you for one second think it would have been as high if other titles were being released on HD DVD that time? Money gets focused there - on 1 or 2 titles.

For example, I placed an order on Amazon for Departed, Open Season, Saw III, and AVP. I really wanted Guardian but maybe later. I already spent more than I planned to. Had the Blu-ray releases been reduced I would have picked it up.

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According to this chart, Warner > Buena Vista > Fox > Sony > Universal > Paramount > Other > Lionsgate.

I think this is about the best measure we can have of the importance of the various studios (would be nice to have previous years as well), so much better than the number of distributed movies (since they contain many too old movies that are not even suitable for a SD DVD transfer).
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Good call Connavar. You can have 50,000 titles, it doesn't count for anything if only 500 are good enough to release
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Perhaps,

But that would only be 1 in 10 releases. HD DVD has little content.

Imagine the one sided sales figures when Casino Royal, Cars, and Pirates hit the scene and Hd DVD has releases like Harry & the Hendersons.....


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Perhaps,

But that would only be 1 in 10 releases. HD DVD has little content.

Imagine the one sided sales figures when Casino Royale, Cars, and Pirates hit the scene and Hd DVD has releases like Harry & the Hendersons.....

LMAO

HD DVD better come up with something good fast, cause things look pretty screwed a.t.m.
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Imagine the one sided sales figures when Casino Royal, Cars, and Pirates hit the scene and Hd DVD has releases like Harry & the Hendersons.....

Hey! I liked Harry and the Hendersons. That is a title I would actually buy if it were available on Blu-ray. Unfortunately for HD DVD, it is not a title that would get me to buy a player.

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That is not necessarily so. Clerks2 did really well on Amazon's ranking. But do you for one second think it would have been as high if other titles were being released on HD DVD that time? Money gets focused there - on 1 or 2 titles.

For example, I placed an order on Amazon for Departed, Open Season, Saw III, and AVP. I really wanted Guardian but maybe later. I already spent more than I planned to. Had the Blu-ray releases been reduced I would have picked it up.

Excellent point as well! That is true. Fewer titles means there is more disposable income chasing fewer choices

OTOH, what happens when we get a slew of top rated games on the PS3? Would we have significant switching from movies to games, or will we be stuck with a significant number of PS3 consoles where movies crowd out games. Wouldn't that lower the expected profits from each console sold for Sony?

Whereas, it is quite clear that no one can possibly purchase the xbox 360 as a video player alone since the Tosh A-2 is by far the better value as an HD DVD player. The PS3 is the best value for a BD player. So to me it isn't clear IF Sony can sustain the PS3 if millions are being bought to play movies and where movies purchases are crowding out games! It really is a trade off for Sony.

It'll be interesting to see how the economics of this plays out. I'd expect the full fall out of a success or failure of their strategy to be clear sometime by Q3 of this year. JMHO. Clearly, MSFT took the low risk approach and even in the best case scenario it provides MSFT with a lot more leverage to progress their console v. Sony.

* It also does not help the HD DVD cause on dvdwars when 2 of their current top 10 titles - Clerks II and Lucky # Slevin are 4-6 weeks backordered! These are also two of the more recent titles, so to me it looks like dvdwars right now is underestimating the overall demand for HD DVD. Not enough new content and couple of the more recent releases are out of stock.
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Gamers have bought movies in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. I'm not sure I understand why games and film are viewed as mutually exclusive by so many here on the forums. When there's a movie one wants, one gets it. When there's a game one wants, one gets it. It's the 'maybe' situations such as Guardian where perhaps some money will be left on the table. But I know of few in the PS3 demographic that would be any less excited for Casino Royale in HD than for upcoming game classic MGS4.
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but like beatboy and thebland ( who obviously use the excuse of have owned in the past an hd-dvd player to bash hd-dvd) ill have a picture of my ps3 and be able to bash the ps3 since i will own it.

If you're going to troll the BD forums, at least try to structure your sentence in a somewhat coherent form so it is easier for us to comprehend.

Oh and by the way, your sig "WITHOUT PROOF YOUR FUD MEANS NOTHING" is redundant. if FUD was backed by proof, it wouldnt be FUD, it would be a fact.
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If you're going to troll the BD forums, at least try to structure your sentence in a somewhat coherent form so it is easier for us to comprehend.

Oh and by the way, your sig "WITHOUT PROOF YOUR FUD MEANS NOTHING" is redundant. if FUD was backed by proof, it wouldnt be FUD, it would be a fact.

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Excellent point as well! That is true. Fewer titles means there is more disposable income chasing fewer choices

OTOH, what happens when we get a slew of top rated games on the PS3? Would we have significant switching from movies to games, or will we be stuck with a significant number of PS3 consoles where movies crowd out games. Wouldn't that lower the expected profits from each console sold for Sony?

Whereas, it is quite clear that no one can possibly purchase the xbox 360 as a video player alone since the Tosh A-2 is by far the better value as an HD DVD player. The PS3 is the best value for a BD player. So to me it isn't clear IF Sony can sustain the PS3 if millions are being bought to play movies and where movies purchases are crowding out games! It really is a trade off for Sony.

It'll be interesting to see how the economics of this plays out. I'd expect the full fall out of a success or failure of their strategy to be clear sometime by Q3 of this year. JMHO. Clearly, MSFT took the low risk approach and even in the best case scenario it provides MSFT with a lot more leverage to progress their console v. Sony.

Let's all meet again when PS3 has a bunch of good games available. I have to agree the titles announcements on HD-DVD are anemic, however I also believe that many PS3 owners at the moment buy BR because they're done playing RFOM. What else are you going to do with your PS3 right now if not watching BR movies ? Collect dust ?

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Excellent point as well! That is true. Fewer titles means there is more disposable income chasing fewer choices

OTOH, what happens when we get a slew of top rated games on the PS3? Would we have significant switching from movies to games, or will we be stuck with a significant number of PS3 consoles where movies crowd out games. Wouldn't that lower the expected profits from each console sold for Sony?

Whereas, it is quite clear that no one can possibly purchase the xbox 360 as a video player alone since the Tosh A-2 is by far the better value as an HD DVD player. The PS3 is the best value for a BD player. So to me it isn't clear IF Sony can sustain the PS3 if millions are being bought to play movies and where movies purchases are crowding out games! It really is a trade off for Sony.

It'll be interesting to see how the economics of this plays out. I'd expect the full fall out of a success or failure of their strategy to be clear sometime by Q3 of this year. JMHO. Clearly, MSFT took the low risk approach and even in the best case scenario it provides MSFT with a lot more leverage to progress their console v. Sony.

* It also does not help the HD DVD cause on dvdwars when 2 of their current top 10 titles - Clerks II and Lucky # Slevin are 4-6 weeks backordered! These are also two of the more recent titles, so to me it looks like dvdwars right now is underestimating the overall demand for HD DVD. Not enough new content and couple of the more recent releases are out of stock.

I've said this many, many times. I, personally know a lot of gamers that are saving their pennies to buy the PS3 when the titles really start rolling out. For many, this is March.

Yes, people will switch their budget to games for awhile around this time, BUT, there will be a whole lot more PS3s sold and many of those buyers will, at least eventually, at least start renting BDs.
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Gamers have bought movies in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. I'm not sure I understand why games and film are viewed as mutually exclusive by so many here on the forums. When there's a movie one wants, one gets it. When there's a game one wants, one gets it. It's the 'maybe' situations such as Guardian where perhaps some money will be left on the table. But I know of few in the PS3 demographic that would be any less excited for Casino Royale in HD than for upcoming game classic MGS4.

They are NOT mutually exclusive. But people live on a budget and if I buy more of one product, I need to buy less of another. Perhaps people budget for entertainment and that includes movie disks and going to the movies and eating out and buying games etc. So, there has to be some sort of substitution effect going on. Just basic common sense!

The post I responded to made an excellent point (IMO) in that titles available on both formats from Warner and Paramount are likely to be ranked higher for HD DVD, since the competition for $$$ within that format is smaller. That is a fact. My point was that at some point for PS3 buyers, games will start competing for $$$. If not, Sony's turnaround will run into some hot water.....

I guess people could buy less food and move to cheaper housing and take out a HELOC, but I wasn't really considering those alternatives....at this time
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OTOH, what happens when we get a slew of top rated games on the PS3?

I don't buy the theory that there are thousands of gamers out there who are buying BD's at the moment because there's a lack of games. There might be a small number of people who like wasting their money but I don't think it's a significant number. I think most people would buy nothing than buy something they don't want through impatience!

I believe that a large number of PS3 owners, perhaps the majority, didn't buy the PS3 to play games but because it's the cheapest BD player. That's exactly why I bought mine, why pay $800 when you can pay $500 for something with high resale value?

That's not to say that better games won't change things. Better games will encourage more gamers to jump on board and a larger percentage of PS3 owners will be gamers. However that wouldn't effect BD sales, it'd just increase game sales
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Gamers have bought movies in the past, and will continue to do so in the future. I'm not sure I understand why games and film are viewed as mutually exclusive by so many here on the forums. When there's a movie one wants, one gets it. When there's a game one wants, one gets it. It's the 'maybe' situations such as Guardian where perhaps some money will be left on the table. But I know of few in the PS3 demographic that would be any less excited for Casino Royale in HD than for upcoming game classic MGS4.

Currently, I own 2 Playstation 3 games, Resistance: The Fall of Man, and EA Sports' Fight Night. I will buy more as new interesting titles become available. I also own around 75 Blu-ray films (need to count again). I have several other friends with Playstation 3 consoles. All own one or two games and many movies. I expect that I will always own more Blu-ray discs than I will own games, just as I owned more DVDs than Playstation games.

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They are NOT mutually exclusive. But people live on a budget and if I buy more of one product, I need to buy less of another. Perhaps people budget for entertainment and that includes movie disks and going to the movies and eating out and buying games etc. So, there has to be some sort of substitution effect going on. Just basic common sense!

I agree, but I see it like this:

Better games equals more PS3's sold, equals better long-term consequences for BD.

Even if the short-term effect is to reduce spending on BD's among the established base, long-term I feel that the increased number of individuals that buy into the system will have a net positive effect overall.

Anyway it'll be interesting to see what the break-out between HD DVD and BD cross-platform titles indeed ends up being. I agree with your logic, but the fact that Paramount and Warner titles thus far have seemed to appeal to the same demographic that would buy PS3, sheer numbers on the side of PS may see the sell-through rates matched. But again, for all these things I agree we just have to wait.
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