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post #31 of 79 Old 09-13-2008, 03:30 PM
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Hi guys!

If you're interested, here - dvdfreak.bloudil.cz/freak.php?p=crow/hd&dz=0 - is a comparison of The Crow UK Blu-ray with the DVD edition by Entertainment in Video (& a Czech DVD).

Any comments appreciated - I'll gladly add them to my notes there...

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I'm gonna disagree with the kicking that the UK BD has taken. As far as I'm concerned, it sure as hell wasn't taken from an SD source. Unlike that Escape From New York trash, this is undoubtably a hidef transfer. A very grainy movie from start to finish, dirty and nasty to look at for many reasons. Unfortunately, up until now, all the previous DVD versions could do was destroy this movie. They hammered it into a smeared and artifact ridden mess, backgrounds danced with blocking and other problems and shadow detail was pretty much non-existent.

The BD has the grain and detail intact, the flashback scenes looking wildly vivid in particular. It is a 1080i/50hz transfer, I put my hands up, there is no question over that aspect of the transfer, but it's the best version I've ever seen of The Crow and that's worth something IMO. Barely better than the DVD? Ridiculous bullcrap of the highest order. Now the extras, THEY DO look like sh*t! PAL 576i and taken from God knows where.
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Nice pics there petoluk, thank you. Those Blu-ray shots actually look very nice - and amazingly good given all the negative comments! Only $20 for it new on eBay including shipping from UK to Canada, I've placed a bid since I can play it on my PC and convert to 24p. Too bad about the fugly cover art.

Some of the pics do look soft, but the grain structure alone is a dead giveaway as being true HD and NOT an upconversion. Nevermind 480 or 576, there is actually greater than 720p detail there (though partly due to the MPEG-2 blocking).

The reason you don't see much of an upgrade isn't because the Blu-ray is bad, it's because the EiV DVD is awesome! It's obviously using the same master as the BD, so the only difference is in resolution. And their downconversion is utilizing 720x576 resolution to its fullest extent, with no additional blurring like on most DVDs.

DVD vs Blu-ray->720x576->1920x1036 (Photoshop bicubic resize) vs Blu-ray raw (all at 200% pixel resize):


It's not an exactly correct resolution test since I forgot to take your cropping into account. Either way, that's a really impressive-looking DVD in my opinion. The Blu-ray could be improved with a higher bitrate or more efficient codec but I don't think this movie is going to look much better.

By the way, just a tip: if you aren't already, you should be using BT.709 colorimetry for your Blu-ray captures. I think this is why the colors are more pinkish vs the DVD in that red-bathed shot. If you're using AviSynth for the Blu-ray shots as well you can add ConvertToRGB(matrix="rec709") to the end of your script (the correct line for DVD colors would be ConvertToRGB(matrix="rec601") which is likely already being done automatically).

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The 2nd R1 DVD, (The SE) actually looked pretty good IMHO.
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Judging by those screenshots I don't see much reason to upgrade to the Blu-ray if you have the R1 SE dvd. The transfer isn't horrible but I think it could be a lot better. It's at least 7 years old afterall.

Speaking of the SE dvd I really wish we could get a real special edition with the full documentary and commentary by Alex Proyas that was not included for stupid reasons.
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Are you comparing it to the R1 SE yourself, Kram? Cause the pics are from R2s. The EiV DVD was released Jan 2003 so the transfer may "only" be 5 years old.

I'll admit that it's surprising how bad the logo text looks on the Blu-ray. Disney's Blu-ray of The Sixth Sense doesn't put me in optimistic spirits that they won't use an old transfer and make it worse with DNR, though...

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Barely better than the DVD? Ridiculous bullcrap of the highest order.

Uf, no need to be rude - I admitted my lack of knowledge in the HD department, and only registered here to be able to discuss & learn more about the subject...

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Either way, that's a really impressive-looking DVD in my opinion. The Blu-ray could be improved with a higher bitrate or more efficient codec but I don't think this movie is going to look much better.

By the way, just a tip: if you aren't already, you should be using BT.709 colorimetry for your Blu-ray captures...

Many thanks for your feedback msgohan! I'll update the review later today (just woke up - craving for nourishment ). Still, I guess the final message for the people who own the EiV DVD is that there's not much reason for an upgrade - do you agree?

Regarding the colorimetry - yes, I use AviSynth for all my captures, but I didn't know that Blu-ray MPEG-2 wasn't the same colorimetry as DVD MPEG-2. I still have the stream on my hard-drive, so I'll redo the captures too... Thanks for the tip!

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Many thanks to all of you who have helped revive interest in this blu-ray. Hopefully I will get a reply back soon from Disney regarding a future r1 edition.

I have had virtually every edition of The Crow that has been released to date, including the vhs versions. The 2-disc dvd set is the best looking of the bunch imo. I think they can do more with the blu-ray. Hopefully it won't get the GONY treatment.
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The difference reminds me of T2 Extreme DVD vs Blu-ray. There's not much reason to upgrade but whether it's worth throwing more cash at it depends on how much you care about the finer details and lowered compression artifacts, and how much you care about the movie in general. And for owners of the R1, how much you care about the downgrade to PAL speedup...

I've actually never seen this movie but I've heard good things and I enjoyed/bought Dark City and I, Robot so blind buying at $20 is an easy choice for me.

Side note: this shot really reminds me of The Dark Knight.

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OK, I updated the review - hope it's not that offensive now.

I also redid the screencaps - you might need to clear your browser cache to see them...

Cheers!
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P.S. msgohan, may I PM you with a couple of technical questions? I don't want to start an off-topic discussion here. Thanks!
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Uf, no need to be rude - I admitted my lack of knowledge in the HD department, and only registered here to be able to discuss & learn more about the subject...

Wasn't directed at you, directed at the internet parrots that don't even own the disc, or make up rubbish based on screenshots. Peace.
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The difference reminds me of T2 Extreme DVD vs Blu-ray. There's not much reason to upgrade but whether it's worth throwing more cash at it depends on how much you care about the finer details and lowered compression artifacts, and how much you care about the movie in general. And for owners of the R1, how much you care about the downgrade to PAL speedup...

I've actually never seen this movie but I've heard good things and I enjoyed/bought Dark City and I, Robot so blind buying at $20 is an easy choice for me.

Side note: this shot really reminds me of The Dark Knight.

I can't believe you've never seen this movie. I don't want to inflate it for you, but it is definitely one of the most beloved in the genre. Do yourself a favor and buy it. Let me know what you think after you watch it.
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Are you comparing it to the R1 SE yourself, Kram? Cause the pics are from R2s. The EiV DVD was released Jan 2003 so the transfer may "only" be 5 years old.

I know. The R1 uses the same transfer and was released in early 2001.
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Actually I've read in some UK forums that they are different. Disney/mirimax did not do the overseas version.
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Jeez, don't make me go and pull out the r1 dvd.
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Well here's the reply I received from Buena Vista Ent:

Thank you for your email regarding THE CROW. We value your interest
in Walt Disney Home Entertainment.

At this time, we do not have a Blu-ray release date for this title.
We will forward your request for release to our Marketing Department
for consideration.

Please visit our website at www.disneydvd.com for a list of titles
that are currently available and to check for new announcements from
Walt Disney Home Entertainment.

If you have any other questions or concerns, please feel free to
reply to this email. You may also contact us at 800 477-2811
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Anyone got this?



It seems to have a True HD - track and it's 1080p. I just ordered it though I haven't seen any review of it. But concidering ho much the japanese edition of Equilibrium kicked the U.K edition's ass, I took my chanses.

It's also in a twinpack with the crapfest Wicked Prayer.

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My copy is on its way.
More info here:
http://forums.highdefdigest.com/blu-...pressions.html
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Anyone got this?



It seems to have a True HD - track and it's 1080p. I just ordered it though I haven't seen any review of it. But concidering ho much the japanese edition of Equilibrium kicked the U.K edition's ass, I took my chanses.

It's also in a twinpack with the crapfest Wicked Prayer.


I NEED to know how this one looks. If it looks good, it's an instant purchase for me!

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I NEED to know how this one looks. If it looks good, it's an instant purchase for me!

I received and watched this last week. It is super fantastic! There is some print damage, but the transfer is faithful to the source (i.e. no DNR or EE), and the Dolby TrueHD soundtrack is excellent. A winner all around.

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sweeeeeeet~! one of my faves~~~!
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I received and watched this last week. It is super fantastic! There is some print damage, but the transfer is faithful to the source (i.e. no DNR or EE), and the Dolby TrueHD soundtrack is excellent. A winner all around.

Sweet. I must have it.

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Where's a good place to order it and about how much with shipping to the US? One of my favorite movies of all time it's a must
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The Crow,Japanese version BD was good transfer for both sound and picture but the orther one in the package was sucked.
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Just to confirm that Bluray release is Region A for North American BD players? Not 50hz PAL?

I have the Bluray but it's 50HZ PAL, playback on my BD player has image stutter> kind of unwatchable.
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It's region free and 1080p.
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It's region free....

I'm gonna hold you to that :-) Just ordered now and am looking forward to comparing to my UK Blu-Ray.
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But concidering ho much the japanese edition of Equilibrium kicked the U.K edition's ass, I took my chanses.

Can you elaborate on that? I can't find a thread concerning the Japanese Equilibrium. I wonder if it's the same transfer and sound as my old HD DVD from Japan.

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Can you elaborate on that? I can't find a thread concerning the Japanese Equilibrium. I wonder if it's the same transfer and sound as my old HD DVD from Japan.

The UK disc was the wrong ratio
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