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The only two things I can think of are [2] creating a menu & [2] having multiple/separate clips. If you don't need it, TSMuxer/TSRemux & ImgBurn do just fine.

OK, those would definitely be nice to have, though not critical for my purposes (at present anyway). I'm just happy to be able to easily save and replay this content without having to keep it on my hard drive.

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I've had a blu-ray burner for about 8 months now, and have 2 BD-RE's and everything works perfectly. So perfect, that now I'm inclined to go buy a couple of BDs for the home kid movie authoring and stow them away.

Yes, my first purchase was a BD-RE for test purposes. No way am I willing to make a bunch of expensive coasters! But I did buy some $5 BD blanks from shop4tech.com. They seem to work fine.

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Yup, I bought a bunch of those $5 BD-Rs from shop4tech and they seem to work great. They also seem to burn w/o errors at 4x.

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So I have this TS file that I want to put on a disc. But the audio level (as originally broadcast) is very low. I know how to demux the TS file, but what software can I use to work with the AC3 audio.

Normally, I'd use Adobe Audition, but it doesn't appear to have the ability to rewrite the AC3 stream. It'll read it, but not write it. Any other reasonable alternatives?

Alternatively, can I remux the TS file using PCM rather than AC3? This is 2.0 audio anyway, so that wouldn't hurt anything. But I'm not sure how to go about it.
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To up the volume, I think you'll need to basically remux/re-encode the audio, so you'll lose a bit in quality. Have a look at this thread at videohelp.com & at this tool.

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Yup, I bought a bunch of those $5 BD-Rs from shop4tech and they seem to work great. They also seem to burn w/o errors at 4x.

the blaze blanks, what player have you tried them in?
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On my PS3, Samsung BD-P1500 (not the latest firmware), LG BH200 (also not the latest firmware), and LG HD DVD/BD combo DVD writer.

I haven't updated the firmware on my Samsung BD-P1500 & LG BH200 as the latest firmware for both are known to cause issues for AVCHD &/or BD-R/RE playback.

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I'm trying to burn 1920x1080 hdv (mpeg-2 video) from a jvc everio hd camcorder onto a dvd-rw disc for playback on a sony bdp s350 blu ray. I'm able to create a playable disc when I first convert the video to avchd. This method is rather time-consuming due to the video format conversion and I'd prefer to burn the mpeg-2 format video directly. I tried using the tsMuxeR tool to create a blu-ray directory structure and then burn it to a dvd with udf2.5 format, but the playback stuttered too much to be watchable. I then deleted the audio track in tsmuxer, recreated the dir structure, and reburnt the disc. Again, I got the stuttering. I'm thinking one of these might be the problem.
1) the original video file has problems
2) the sony mpeg decoder can't handle the bit rate and is dropping frames
3) the sony blu ray dvd drive can't read the data fast enough from the disc

Has anyone had success in burning mpeg files (TOD files) from a jvc hd camcorder onto a dvd for playback in high-def on a blu ray player?
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To up the volume, I think you'll need to basically remux/re-encode the audio, so you'll lose a bit in quality. Have a look at this thread at videohelp.com & at this tool.

Thanks for this info. It may be a few days before I'm able to dig into it, but I'll definitely make use of it.
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I'm trying to burn 1920x1080 hdv (mpeg-2 video) from a jvc everio hd camcorder onto a dvd-rw disc for playback on a sony bdp s350 blu ray. I'm able to create a playable disc when I first convert the video to avchd. This method is rather time-consuming due to the video format conversion and I'd prefer to burn the mpeg-2 format video directly. I tried using the tsMuxeR tool to create a blu-ray directory structure and then burn it to a dvd with udf2.5 format, but the playback stuttered too much to be watchable. I then deleted the audio track in tsmuxer, recreated the dir structure, and reburnt the disc. Again, I got the stuttering. I'm thinking one of these might be the problem.
1) the original video file has problems
2) the sony mpeg decoder can't handle the bit rate and is dropping frames
3) the sony blu ray dvd drive can't read the data fast enough from the disc

Has anyone had success in burning mpeg files (TOD files) from a jvc hd camcorder onto a dvd for playback in high-def on a blu ray player?

First, there is no 1920x1080 in the HDV format. The HDV native format is mpeg-2 1440x1080.

But I think your problem is 3) above, the bdp-s350 drive cannot read data fast enough from a red laser DVD5/9 media type. I believe the PS3 can spin the disk at double-rpm, and perhaps needs to for HD from 25mbps DVD5/9 sources.

I hope I am wrong about that. I have tried some mpeg-2 hybrid DVD5/9 disks in the bdp-s300 and Panasonic BD-30, with stuttering as the result. But those disks were made with the old/original TsRemux program workflow.

But since Roman's TSmuxeR program, I have heard it plays back in more players, but have only tried it myself in the PS3. I used to try disks out at retailers like BB, but the management policy is not to permit that anymore. I don't know what they are afraid of, maybe that you'll show something inappropriate.

The AVCHD disk reads from the disk at a lower bitrate, but has higher processing overhead to decompress the h.264, so I think the problem is the reading rate itself for red laser media. The processing overhead for mpeg-2 25mbps should be no problem.
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Thanks, I guess I'll need to run my computer overnight to convert to AVCHD (dual-core amd, 2.8ghz). BTW, the 1920x1080 mpeg2 file came from a jvc everio gzhd7 camcorder. The camera has two modes, regular HDV 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 (proprietary format?). Perhaps I was wrong in calling the 1920x1080 HDV.



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First, there is no 1920x1080 in the HDV format. The HDV native format is mpeg-2 1440x1080.

But I think your problem is 3) above, the bdp-s350 drive cannot read data fast enough from a red laser DVD5/9 media type. I believe the PS3 can spin the disk at double-rpm, and perhaps needs to for HD from 25mbps DVD5/9 sources.

I hope I am wrong about that. I have tried some mpeg-2 hybrid DVD5/9 disks in the bdp-s300 and Panasonic BD-30, with stuttering as the result. But those disks were made with the old/original TsRemux program workflow.

But since Roman's TSmuxeR program, I have heard it plays back in more players, but have only tried it myself in the PS3. I used to try disks out at retailers like BB, but the management policy is not to permit that anymore. I don't know what they are afraid of, maybe that you'll show something inappropriate.

The AVCHD disk reads from the disk at a lower bitrate, but has higher processing overhead to decompress the h.264, so I think the problem is the reading rate itself for red laser media. The processing overhead for mpeg-2 25mbps should be no problem.

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BTW, the 1920x1080 mpeg2 file came from a jvc everio gzhd7 camcorder. The camera has two modes, regular HDV 1440x1080 and 1920x1080 (proprietary format?). Perhaps I was wrong in calling the 1920x1080 HDV.

Thanks for clarifying that. It was occurring to me, that the JVC might have a 1920x1080 mpeg2 mode (which is great!), but...it's not HDV.

But moreover, if you would like confirmation on the root of the problem, pm me and I'll send you a mpeg-2 1920x1080 red laser DVD5/9 disk. If it doesn't play, it will confirm it's your player. If it does play, it will confirm the problem is with your authoring/burning step.
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I've made BD from mpeg2 transport files with tsmuxer but I tried a transport file that was encoded h.264 and the audio is way out of sync did I do something wrong do I need to change settings or is h.264 the problem?
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Wondering if I could get some help from you fine folks, using MeGUI to convert trailer to 1920,1080 resolution, here is results from rawmedia info:

General #0
Complete name : C:\\Documents and Settings\\Perry\\My Documents\\Downloads\\Quantum of Solace 1080P Trailer\\quantumofsolace-tlr2_h1080p-muxed.mkv
Format : Matroska
File size : 676 MiB
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate : 38.5 Mbps
Encoded date : UTC 2008-10-25 05:37:25
Writing application : mkvmerge v2.3.0 ('Freak U') built on Sep 8 2008 18:32:16
Writing library : libebml v0.7.7 + libmatroska v0.8.1

Video #0
Codec : AVC
Codec/Family : AVC
Codec/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Codec profile : High@L4.1
Codec settings, CABAC : Yes
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate : 36.6 Mbps
Nominal bit rate : 39.5 Mbps
Width : 1920 pixels
Height : 1080 pixels
Display Aspect ratio : 16/9
Frame rate : 23.976 fps
Chroma : 4:2:0
Interlacement : Progressive
Writing library : x264 - core 65 r998M 6768543
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=4 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x133 / me=umh / subme=6 / psy_rd=1.0:0.0 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=2 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=3 / nr=0 / decimate=0 / mbaff=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=1 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / wpredb=1 / keyint=24 / keyint_min=1 / scenecut=40(pre) / rc=2pass / bitrate=39506 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.50 / qpmin=8 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / cplxblur=20.0 / qblur=0.5 / vbv_maxrate=38000 / vbv_bufsize=30000 / ip_ratio=1.10 / pb_ratio=1.10 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English

Audio #0
Codec : AC3
PlayTime : 2mn 27s
Bit rate mode : CBR
Bit rate : 384 Kbps
Channel(s) : 6 channels
Channel positions : Front: L C R, Rear: L R, LFE
Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz

I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?
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Hi guys
I've tried asking this elsewhere but had no favourable repsonses yet.
I've been archiving some of my fav .ts movies onto Bluray with great results, using TSmuxer and IMGburn.
However I am really struggling with some.
When I load a .ts into TSmuxer to build a BD it shows me the file info. If the audio delay is 0 then the resulting BD is perfect and plays on my PS3 and my BD30, however if the audio delay shows anything other than 0 then the resulting BD wont play, it simply stutters along.
My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance
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I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?

Did you burn UDF 2.5?
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My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance

Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.
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Any ideas?

Have you tried the default Standalone-Blu-ray settings? I can tell the video settings aren't the same because ref is different. If I use the Sandalone-AVC-HD settings for example my player (not the same player) will play the x264 encoded video as AVCHD. Of course another question I would have would be, can your player play other custom video? Up the page Brajesh mentions issues depending on firmware of the player, which in that case a tread for the player might have more information.


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I'm using Corel Video Studio Pro X2 (12).

Taking Canon HF11 files directly from a memory card.

The entire process has worked well going from camera to final disk.

Making a 1 hour DVD takes about 2 hours. A AVCHD 4.7 disk about 4 hours.

My only complaint is that when I compare the original camera file against the AVCHD file I can see a slight blur on the entire image.

Does anyone know how to keep the final edited image the same as the original? Do I have to record an actual blu-ray disk to get the proper quality?

Thanks for any help.

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I take this file and convert to blu-ray disk with tsmuxer and my BDP-1500 says cannot play disk. Any ideas?

Did you upgrade to 2.0 firmware? Appears it's a known issue w/AVCHD & BD-R/REs. I'm sticking w/1.3 firmware until Sammy corrects the issue w/the next firmware. Fingers crossed.

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Hi guys
I've tried asking this elsewhere but had no favourable repsonses yet.
I've been archiving some of my fav .ts movies onto Bluray with great results, using TSmuxer and IMGburn.
However I am really struggling with some.
When I load a .ts into TSmuxer to build a BD it shows me the file info. If the audio delay is 0 then the resulting BD is perfect and plays on my PS3 and my BD30, however if the audio delay shows anything other than 0 then the resulting BD wont play, it simply stutters along.
My question is how can I correct this? Is it a known issue? I tried demuxing with TSmuxer then remuxing with 0 delay but the results were the same.
I really hope someone can shed some light on this 'cos it is so frustrating, I really want to put my HD server to bed once and for all but not until I archive my remaining .ts stuff.
Thanks in advance

Whats ur version on tsmuxer?
and another thing tsmuxer had a bug w/the true-hd
for example the movie is 24gb and i wanna cut and mux with 23.gb to fit on to bd-r .it doesn't split the clip the rightway which leads to audio out of sync even when u remux with tsmuxer or /and tsremuxer
in conclude we are all waiting for smartlabs to fix it in upcoming version
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So I've made a bunch of backup BD-Rs over the last few months after having discovered this thread. Kudos to you guys for all the info. I discovered last night that my S350 with the latest firmware will not play back some of my BD-Rs, even some that it played fine before. I'm sure it's not the discs, they play fine in my LG burner and in my Samsung 1400. Everything seems to be hit and miss in my S350 though. Anyone else experiecing the same? The last firmware update I did to the S350 was to enable the BD Live update at the end of last month.

HD A2 (Feb 07)
HD XA2 (Feb 08)
DMP-BD35K (Nov 08)
DMP-BD60K (Jun 09)

HD DVD Titles: 168
Blu-ray Titles: 430
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Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Thanks for the reply Tom, I'll give that a bash tomorrow and report the results
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Wondered if someone could offer some insight as to what I am doing wrong. I burned a .MKV file last night to a DVD-DL disc using ImgBurn and tsmuxer. I followed instructions shown on YouTube and received no errors.

When I played the disc in my Sony BDP-S350 it looks completely messed up. The image is doubled (like a ghost effect). There is a vertical line right down the middle of the screen and the picture looks stretched as well.

Is there something I am doing wrong? Has anyone ever experienced this before?
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Cut it down to a short duration clip, and run tsmuxer on just the video stream as a test.

Hey Tom. I still can't get menus yet to work on my Panny BDP-30.

How is the Pinnicle 12 working out for you? Can it make compliant Menus work for AVCHD on you BR players?

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Hi T!

I've not used Pinnacle. I dabbled with Nero Vision, and got compliant menus but it would not smart render my AVC h.264 videos. I also got compliant menus with the new MovieFactory. Although it passed my video without rendering (nice), unfortunately the menus did not have the full motion and sliders (with AVCHD) the Nero Vision product has. No 24p without pulldown is a problem with either, and probably the nature of AVCHD.

For now, I still prefer the ubiquitous TSmuxeR, because it does the best job with native videos from the XDCAM-EX 1920x1080 24p, just without menus.
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No 24p without pulldown is a problem with either, and probably the nature of AVCHD.

TotalMedia does 24p with menus for AVCHD or BDMV. Probably the biggest general issue I see with the program is that it transcodes to 2 channel audio like was pointed out in this thread. The new disks in the link below were authored with the program, and it's free to try. Ulead/Corel will pass a lot more audio, but with 1920x1080 I think interlaced is the only video it passes.


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I'm using Corel Video Studio Pro X2 (12).

Taking Canon HF11 files directly from a memory card.

Making a 1 hour DVD takes about 2 hours. A AVCHD 4.7 disk about 4 hours.

My only complaint is that when I compare the original camera file against the AVCHD file I can see a slight blur on the entire image.

I don't know much about cameras, but generally I would figure if you're having issues with the video playback then trying to go from the camera to disk without transcoding would be the main thing to try to do. That 4 hour time sounds like the video is being converted to me. Either that or you'll want to look at how the video is being converted. It looks like the camera must do a lot of modes, so I figure it would probably be possible to find a mode that wouldn't need to be converted by the software.


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TotalMedia does 24p with menus for AVCHD or BDMV. Probably the biggest general issue I see with the program is that it transcodes to 2 channel audio like was pointed out in this thread. The new disks in the link below were authored with the program, and it's free to try. Ulead/Corel will pass a lot more audio, but with 1920x1080 I think interlaced is the only video it passes.

Doing 24p from an AVCHD is not quite the same thing usually. All the AVCHD cams that do 24 frames per second are packaging 24 progressive frames inside of a 60i stream by adding repeat flags. You will observe the playback rate of 24 fps but your HDTV monitor is refreshing the screen 2 1/2 times for every one frame of video, i.e. flashing frames in a 2:3:2:3 cadence. The irregular cadence is what gives rise to the term, "judder."

AVCHD does not do native 24p as far as I can tell. Native 24p will invoke a compatible HDTV monitor into its exclusive 24 fps mode, in which the refresh rate will be an even multiple, for example, 72 hz, or 3 times 24 fps. Each frame is flashed three times in a symetrical cadence 3:3:3:3, so there is no appearance of judder.
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Doing 24p from an AVCHD is not quite the same thing usually. All the AVCHD cams that do 24 frames per second are packaging 24 progressive frames inside of a 60i stream by adding repeat flags. You will observe the playback rate of 24 fps but your HDTV monitor is refreshing the screen 2 1/2 times for every one frame of video, i.e. flashing frames in a 2:3:2:3 cadence. The irregular cadence is what gives rise to the term, "judder."

Yeah... I wasn't talking cameras. I'm not sure I'd necessarily refer to that sort of storage as 24p. I just think of 24p as a 1920x1080 progressive video stream with a 24/1.001 frame rate, like most Blu-rays apparently use (of course with AACS). Anyway I figured there would be ways to process the sort of video you mention and make it a true 24p stream from some of the items I've read in http://eugenia.gnomefiles.org/, but come to think of it that was probably mpeg2 cameras and things are probably still rather expensive to do that sort of processing on video from an AVCHD camera.

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AVCHD does not do native 24p as far as I can tell. Native 24p will invoke a compatible HDTV monitor into its exclusive 24 fps mode, in which the refresh rate will be an even multiple, for example, 72 hz, or 3 times 24 fps. Each frame is flashed three times in a symetrical cadence 3:3:3:3, so there is no appearance of judder.

I use the term AVCHD to refer to the format that some Blu-ray players will play, but the same term is also used to refer to cameras so I suppose there was probably some confusion there.

While Nero and the Ulead/Corel products I've tried have certainly been unable to do anything 1920x1080 besides interlaced, the actual AVCHD format clearly supports true 24p video http://www.avchd-info.org/format/index.html As far as how consumer cameras package things I'm not sure what they do with video because it's not really in line with my own interests. As far as AVCHD and BDMV playback and authoring with with TotalMedia goes, true 24p seems possible. Mediainfo reports the video as 24p like encoded, and my TV goes to a 24p mode when the player outputs native.

PROCESS FOR 24P FOR THE DISKS:
1) Encode video using MeGUI
- AVS file has framerate set to 23.976
- The standalone AVC HD settings file is selected
- The output option for the video is set to 264, instead of default mp4
2) Mux to .ts using tsMuxer
3) Import video into TotalMedia to create AVCHD or BDMV

Step 1 can seemingly be replaced by using RipBot264, and setting the framerate and output type, but I'm not sure the maximum video rates are set to AVCHD maximums like in the MeGUI "AVC HD" standalone selection.
Step 3 could be eliminated by choosing the Blu-ray option in tsMuxer.


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Step 3 could be eliminated by choosing the Blu-ray option in tsMuxer.


Okay...very compelling. Sounds like native 24p to me. No doubt about it if your TV is switching to 24p mode. But do you think the 24p capability is TotalMedia, or TSmuxeR?

This is just me, but I would not trade away discrete 5.1 audio to have menus. Right now, using TSmuxeR alone, I get some pretty great video and audio from the Sony XDCAM, 1080/24p 35/mbps VBR mpeg-2, and 5.1 discrete channels at 640/kbps.

I score the soundtrack with royalty-free music from Smartsound, using the Sonicfire Pro editor. It outputs typically 8 or more discrete tracks as .wav files. Sony Vegas Pro has beautiful pan controls for placing the tracks into a 5.1 mix with LFE channel, filters, etc. So the audio is very important to me.

It is possible to transcode it to AVC h.264 of course, but with a small loss in quality.
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