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Old 07-23-2007, 12:56 PM
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I've been trying for 2 weeks now. . . .

This is, in my opinion, not the same level of customer service I received when I had to exchange the first set. Then again, they did a nice bait and switch job on me with the price of the new set, so why should I be surprised at this point?

You seem considerably calmer than I would be in your shoes.
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Wow that blows Akrias....

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At least a dozen that should be higher than DMC? Like what?

Not in particular PQ order:

Apocalypto

Black Snake Moan - Not because there is boobies in HD. Daylight scenes look much, much better than DMC and has more "3D effect"

Crank - Its shot on video. Contrast too hot. Crappy movie. But at the end of the day the PQ is nice.

The Messengers - Not popular here at AVS. But for PQ standpoint its consistent. The dark scenes are nice. Details in most part is preserved. At the end of the movie where they show the sunflowers at full bloom. Nice.

The Patriot - Sharp and detailed. Excellent PQ.

Hellboy - About the same level as DMC but this one handles the dark scenes much better.

Curse Of the Golden Flower - A movie full of demo material. From the bright, colorful indoor scene to the climactic battle of which is shot at night. I'm very impressed with how this BD was able to preserve all the colorful costumes and weapons without too much artifacting and smearing (macroblocking is minimal).

Corpse Bride - Top of the list. I agree.
Scanner Darkly
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The Wild
Ant Bully
Happily N' Ever aFter

Dejavu - An excellent example where a high-bitrate VC-1 rears its pretty head

Phantom of The Opera - No love for the PQ of this movie at AVS. Is it because its a musical?

The Prestige - THIS is how dark scenes should look. Forget the movies I listed above. Just watch this side by side with DMC (assuming your viewing set is calibrated). Its not as bright and colorful nor there as much special effects, but when you look at the overall consistency of this AVC encoded disc its much superior overall.

Sure DMC looks very good, but what grinds my gears is putting it on top of a AVS tier list and the mantra "Completely flawless picture. No artifacts whatsoever, no matter how small." The first chapter where Elizabeth is outside while raining - macroblocking galore, The chapter where Jack and Bootstrap are sharing rum below deck - too much grain and at the same time losing picture detail. The chapter where we got introduced to Davy Jones . . . . . .

This is not even "blink and you miss it" problems. They are very obvious. Of course you can see problems too in the movies I mentioned before because there is no "flawless picture". But those movies in general look better in overall PQ over DMC. You can throw arguments against them then I will throw arguments against DMC. I don't bite into hype, I look at them objectively.

I have seen these movies many, many times on several calibrated setups (ISF or Spyder TV Pro) including looking at them veeeeeeery closely (I know, I know its creepy) using digital captures on a widescreen Dell monitor 2' feet away

As long as AVS know where I stand with this TIER thread its all good. You can keep DMC on top and I'm done with this subject.
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I agree with Xylon, and I'll probably get flamed for it but I've watch DMC atleast a dozen times to try and see what all the fuss is about but i just don't see it.
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I agree with Xylon, and I'll probably get flamed for it but I've watch DMC atleast a dozen times to try and see what all the fuss is about but i just don't see it.

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To me it just dosn't have the POP , or what ever we're all calling it now, or 3-D effects that Apocalypto and Crank have.
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I agree with Xylon, and I'll probably get flamed for it but I've watch DMC atleast a dozen times to try and see what all the fuss is about but i just don't see it.

Same here. I'll take Apocalypto, Messengers or Patriot over it any day.

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I agree with Xylon, and I'll probably get flamed for it but I've watch DMC atleast a dozen times to try and see what all the fuss is about but i just don't see it.

I think you are far more likely to get flamed for saying that you have watched a movie "at least a dozen times" just to try and "see what all the fuss is about"!

Especially a movie as craptastic as DMC...
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I think you are far more likely to get flamed for saying that you have watched a movie "at least a dozen times" just to try and "see what all the fuss is about"!

Especially a movie as craptastic as DMC...

Putting aside PQ evaluations, this is definitely an unbelievably tedious and boring movie to try to force yourself to watch.
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Putting aside PQ evaluations, this is definitely an unbelievably tedious and boring movie to try to force yourself to watch.

I'm pretty sure that the point with this thread is to NOT put PQ aside and let your personal likes and dislikes enter the discussion.
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I'm pretty sure that the point with this thread is to NOT put PQ aside and let your personal likes and dislikes enter the discussion.

I think Rob is to blame for introducing this OT tangent.
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I think Rob is to blame for introducing this OT tangent.

Anyone that looks like Peter O'Toole gets one pass.
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Anyone that looks like Peter O'Toole gets one pass.

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Well he makes good points but having seen the patriot its not better than DMC though I viewed it and thought they were certainly close to one another in terms of PQ.

The story for DMC...well thats another story entirely. The movie itself sucked nuts.

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Just finished watching Purple Rain and it gets my vote for Tier 3.

I've read that this print used was from the most recent DVD special edition and could tell they did clean up the print as much as they possibly could.

The dark scenes on the BD are very grainy but film-like. The outdoor scenes are nice and clean but pretty bland since they filmed right as fall turned to winter. The picture is slightly soft with not much fine detail.

The live performances are very nice and do have some minor 3D pop.

Overall it's not too bad, but I wasn't completely blown away.

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Let me be first to say: The Host - Tier 0

Not even 10 minutes into the film and I've said OMG twice already. The color is amazing and the amount of detail actually hurt my eyes (and that's sitting 10 ft away from a 50" display).

The CGI creature is not quite believable at times but the movie is pretty cool.

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Let me be first to say: The Host - Tier 0

Not even 10 minutes into the film and I've said OMG twice already. The color is amazing and the amount of detail actually hurt my eyes (and that's sitting 10 ft away from a 50" display).

The CGI creature is not quite believable at times but the movie is pretty cool.

Tier 0 is reserved for the best of the best so before I start another firestorm by putting this into Tier 0 I'd like someone else to confirm that it should in fact be tier 0. I respect your opion but rather than create an argument let's get confirmation

On Another note I finally watched TFE and it is a solid Tier 1. I think the placement is accurate.

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What does the (BW) stand for in the listing? Can't find an explanation anywhere...

E.g.

Black Hawk Down (BW)(PCM)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (PCM)(BW)
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Blu-Wizard.

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In a nutshell, Blu-Wizard is a way to create your own user-selected menu of a supplemental content, and customize how you watch it. You can also, of course, access all of a disc's extras the traditional way (select the "Special Features" submenu, etc.), but if you click one more spot to the right on the main menu and highlight "Blu-Wizard," you'll be greeted with a checklist of supplements. In the case of 'Black Hawk Down,' only the six chapters of feature-length documentary supplement are offered. Check off the chapters you want, hit "Playlist," and the material you selected will play in the order it appears on the list.

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Hi there. I'd just like to commend the placement of PotC 1. Looks great for the mos part, but not perfect throughout.

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Tier 0 is reserved for the best of the best so before I start another firestorm by putting this into Tier 0 I'd like someone else to confirm that it should in fact be tier 0. I respect your opion but rather than create an argument let's get confirmation

I definitly agree with you there........for a movie to be placed in Tier 0, it should have confirmation from several people.

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Blu-Wizard.

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In a nutshell, Blu-Wizard is a way to create your own user-selected menu of a supplemental content, and customize how you watch it. You can also, of course, access all of a disc's extras the traditional way (select the "Special Features" submenu, etc.), but if you click one more spot to the right on the main menu and highlight "Blu-Wizard," you'll be greeted with a checklist of supplements. In the case of 'Black Hawk Down,' only the six chapters of feature-length documentary supplement are offered. Check off the chapters you want, hit "Playlist," and the material you selected will play in the order it appears on the list.


Thanks alot

I have been scratching my head and searching around for awhile on that one

Thanks again

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Same here. I'll take Apocalypto, Messengers or Patriot over it any day.

Yep I agree w/ Xylon too, but I've come to learn that my tastes in PQ is quite different from most ppl in this forum. DMC is nice but its not Tier 0. I only buy the best and right now the Blu-Rays that I felt was worth my hard earned dollars were:

1. Crank
2. Apocolypto
3. Curse of The Golden Flower

Now the animations are top notch and I think we all know that. If I had kids I'll definitely buy more of them. BTW what happened to the original guy that used to make the list? Did he quit?
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'Apocalypto' should definitely be in tier 0. It's one of the best (if not the best) high def discs in terms of PQ. I vote for tier 0!
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Yeah well the Apocalypto thing is done - dead and finished. It'll remain where it is which is high tier 0. I really am beginning to believe that the whole split of tier 1 and tier 0 some months ago was more confusing than anything else. Truthfully anything within mid-top tier 1 and tier 0 will likely be interchangable or debatable because of setup differences etc. Every movie I've seen in these two tiers looks awesome.

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I agree and certainly would not change its position. To me Tier 0 has to be perfect and Apocalypto is nice but not consistent throughout. Some shots look grainy when film is used. To me it is quite noticable and a little bit distracting. I wish HD cameras where used for the entire movie, I would probably then vote for Tier 0 as well.

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Watched The Fifth Element (remastered) last night.

WOW! Thanks Sony! This is what we were all expecting and hoping for to begin with. They really cleaned it up. There is some grain, but that rarely takes away from the clarity, detail and sharpness. Good depth too.

I agree with it's Tier 1 placement.
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Watched The Fifth Element (remastered) last night.

WOW! Thanks Sony! This is what we were all expecting and hoping for to begin with. They really cleaned it up. There is some grain, but that rarely takes away from the clarity, detail and sharpness. Good depth too.

I agree with it's Tier 1 placement.

The poll suggests the great majority agree but to my eyes there is nothing in DMC that comes anywhere close to the facial close-ups in TFE. They are breathtaking.
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I agree and certainly would not change its position. To me Tier 0 has to be perfect and Apocalypto is nice but not consistent throughout. Some shots look grainy when film is used. To me it is quite noticable and a little bit distracting. I wish HD cameras where used for the entire movie, I would probably then vote for Tier 0 as well.

hmm that's kind of the opposite of my thoughts on it...i think i would have preferred the whole thing shot on FILM as opposed to HD video. i didn't really like the subtle motion-blurring that seemed to keep happening in the HD portions....
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The poll suggests the great majority agree but to my eyes there is nothing in DMC that comes anywhere close to the facial close-ups in TFE. They are breathtaking.

so are you guys getting your FIFTH ELEMENT discs replaced by sony or are you just biting the bullet and buying new copies??? are they already sneding out replacements?
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