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post #631 of 22102 Old 08-01-2007, 10:26 AM
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Okay, so it wasn't just me who thought I had a bad first ever Blu-Ray movie purchase (along with my PS3) yesterday when I was watching "300", lol. I will agree, this movie was a tad bit too grainy 1/3 of the beginning but was more bearable toward the end. I loved this movie though beyond this minor inconvenience.

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PQ has been reviewed as equal between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray; the HD-DVD has been reviewed higher because of extras. I anticipate this to be a Tier 1 but not a Tier 0. There will be people who debate this because of the injected film grain but boooo to them.


Definite Tier 1 at least. The grain made this movie what it is. I don't see why anyone would hate it.

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Definite Tier 1 at least. The grain made this movie what it is. I don't see why anyone would hate it.

Because they see it as noise. But lets not start another grain debate thread. This has really been beaten to death. (sigh)

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I just watched stealth the other day..What makes it a tier 3..I would have thought at least a tier 2..It looked great!
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Also,where does 300 fit in there? I just ordered that and Ghost Rider from Amazon..
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My initial impression is to give 300 Tier 1 immediately. The artificially added grain was intentional and quite noticible both on IMAX and my 60" SXRD. I didn't notice any artifacts and I would say I would consider it for closer scrutiny for Tier 0 consideration.

Stealth is Tier 3? The plot and most of the acting are absolutely horrid, but I would think Tier 1 based on PQ alone.

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My initial impression is to give 300 Tier 1 immediately. The artificially added grain was intentional and quite noticible both on IMAX and my 60" SXRD. I didn't notice any artifacts and I would say I would consider it for closer scrutiny for Tier 0 consideration.

Stealth is Tier 3? The plot and most of the acting are absolutely horrid, but I would think Tier 1 based on PQ alone.

There were some moments in 300 watching it last night that were just amazing.....so crisp and clear, making it almost pop out of the screen (3D like).....or maybe my eyes are deceiving me

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My initial impression is to give 300 Tier 1 immediately. The artificially added grain was intentional and quite noticible both on IMAX and my 60" SXRD. I didn't notice any artifacts and I would say I would consider it for closer scrutiny for Tier 0 consideration.

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I just don't see how people are slaming this movie because of its grain. The director put it there on purpose!!!!!!!!300 IMO is high TIER 1, nearly flawless picture quality alot of 3D effect to it..in some of the scenes where you see the mountains and grassy vistas the PQ is jaw dropping....and it helps that the movie is just pure BAD ASS!!!


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Okay, so it wasn't just me who thought I had a bad first ever Blu-Ray movie purchase (along with my PS3) yesterday when I was watching "300", lol. I will agree, this movie was a tad bit too grainy 1/3 of the beginning but was more bearable toward the end. I loved this movie though beyond this minor inconvenience.

300 was also my first Bluray purchase. I have a 70" Sony XBR2. I love the movie but also did not remember as much grain when I saw it in theaters. Agree with previous posters about the beginning grain being real noticeable and as it went on I didn't notice as much. I can understand if this was the film-makers intent but thought personally the grain was a bit heavy (beginning mostly) and stole a little from the stunning quality I expected from Bluray. Love the movie though, perhaps I should have chosen a better first Bluray purchase.

Would definitly say not Tier 0, maybe bottom of Tier 1 or top of Tier 2
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300 was also my first Bluray purchase. I have a 70" Sony XBR2. I love the movie but also did not remember as much grain when I saw it in theaters. Agree with previous posters about the beginning grain being real noticeable and as it went on I didn't notice as much. I can understand if this was the film-makers intent but thought personally the grain was a bit heavy (beginning mostly) and stole a little from the stunning quality I expected from Bluray. Love the movie though, perhaps I should have chosen a better first Bluray purchase.

Would definitly say not Tier 0, maybe bottom of Tier 1 or top of Tier 2

If you want a crystal clear Blu Ray movie with very little grain try Apocalypto, Pirates of the Caribbean 1&2, Crank, etc. For people who don't really care about the artistic quality of motion pictures, 300 probably isn't the greatest choice for a showpiece. Personally, I love it and think it has great picture quality, but to each his own.

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Just saw The Host and I agree w/ the current placement. Great facial detail in this one.

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Ok added 300 Bottom-Mid tier one.

Added Roving Mars to Upper Tier 1; sorry but this is just a stunning documentary and I don't think it should be dinged because there are some SD interview shots intertwined into it.

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Please guys - PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE don't forget to include your viewing stats as noted on the first post or your post holds little weight. I want to give creedance to everyones opinions but cannot without this information included.

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Ok added 300 Bottom-Mid tier one.

Added Roving Mars to Upper Tier 1; sorry but this is just a stunning documentary and I don't think it should be dinged because there are some SD interview shots intertwined into it.

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I don't mean to be picky, but at that viewing distance can you really see the difference between outstanding PQ and merely good PQ?
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Some recent films I have viewed:

Roving Mars - Mid Tier 2
300 - High Tier 1
Stealth - Mid Tier 2

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I don't mean to be picky, but at that viewing distance can you really see the difference between outstanding PQ and merely good PQ?

It depends - on my screen I usually will move to a closer distance to examine something I see. I was a little lazier last night so I was watching from the couch in the back of the room

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Some recent films I have viewed:

Roving Mars - Mid Tier 2
300 - High Tier 1
Stealth - Mid Tier 2


Provide your viewing data please and also comment on the Mid Tier 2 placement of Roving Mars; I watched maybe 30 mins of it and the HD shots were crisp and sharp. I don't disagree with your thoughts; just need more feedback.

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It depends - on my screen I usually will move to a closer distance to examine something I see. I was a little lazier last night so I was watching from the couch in the back of the room

Your regular viewing distance is fine.You don't have to move two feet from the screen to be able to tell great PQ from "merely good" PQ.I sit 7-9 feet from my 50"1080p plasma as well.

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Who sits 2 ft from their TV?

The closer you sit the more clearly you'll be able to define the individual pixels and the worse the picture quality. From 3 ft away I can clearly identify 720p from a 1080i broadcast. Sitting in my normal viewing distance (7ft) I just notice the beautiful image.

If when watching a BD sitting at 7-10 ft away from my 50" DLP I can still make out mosquito noise and compression artifacts then I know its a problem.

I think 300 belongs where it is in tier 1 regardless of the grain. The grain effect makes the picture more dirtier and gritty looking. If they had not added the grain you would hear more comments on how fake and plastic the added CGI backgrounds look. In fact there were times when it looked like I was watching a videogame instead of a movie, but I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

Also agree with the tier 1 placement of the remastered Fifth Element (not too concerned with the order). The grain varies from shot to shot but that's not a problem for me.

I Just rented Apocalypto and even though I wasn't too impressed with the story I was blown away by some of the amazing shots. Like I was with The Host, I had more "wow" moments overall than I did with DMC.

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Watched 300 last night. Certainly high tier 1 material. Unbelieve HT experience.

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I think 300 belongs where it is in tier 1 regardless of the grain. The grain effect makes the picture more dirtier and gritty looking. If they had not added the grain you would hear more comments on how fake and plastic the added CGI backgrounds look. In fact there were times when it looked like I was watching a videogame instead of a movie, but I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

I agree, I didn't find the grain objectional at all. I thought it looked excellent from start to finish, despite the video game look .

Making the most out of what I got.
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Your regular viewing distance is fine.You don't have to move two feet from the screen to be able to tell great PQ from "merely good" PQ.I sit 7-9 feet from my 50"1080p plasma as well.

Perhaps this type of viewing distance explains why some don't understand the complaints about Warner's typically soft PQ. And just to be clear, I haven't watched my copy of 300 yet.
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Perhaps this type of viewing distance explains why some don't understand the complaints about Warner's typically soft PQ. And just to be clear, I haven't watched my copy of 300 yet.

What distance do you recommend then?BTW,these rave reviews for 300 must be really killing you huh?The Hot Fuzz reviews as well I bet
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If they had not added the grain you would hear more comments on how fake and plastic the added CGI backgrounds look. In fact there were times when it looked like I was watching a videogame instead of a movie, but I still thoroughly enjoyed it.

That's my main gripe with the movie. But I'm still renting it in hopes the story/movie will wow me.

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What distance do you recommend then?BTW,these rave reviews for 300 must be really killing you huh?The Hot Fuzz reviews as well I bet
It's not that serious man,try to let yourself enjoy some of this stuff.

My own personal screen viewing distance is about one screen width.

You really seem to think I have something against Warner other than the PQ of their HD releases.

If 300 really looks as good as so many are saying, no one will be happier than me.

And I confess that the reviews of Hot Fuzz have tempted me to buy a copy and hook my HD DVD player back up in order to watch it.

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And I confess that the reviews of Hot Fuzz have tempted me to buy a copy and hook my HD DVD player back up in order to watch it.

Reading the HD-DVD Reviews for Hot Fuzz make me extremely envious.

I have been tempted to go "format neutral" but I just cannot justify spending that kind of money right now just for 3-4 titles. I do like the color of the cases better..

I have patience. And the SD version for now.

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300 was also my first Bluray purchase. I have a 70" Sony XBR2. I love the movie but also did not remember as much grain when I saw it in theaters. Agree with previous posters about the beginning grain being real noticeable and as it went on I didn't notice as much. I can understand if this was the film-makers intent but thought personally the grain was a bit heavy (beginning mostly) and stole a little from the stunning quality I expected from Bluray. Love the movie though, perhaps I should have chosen a better first Bluray purchase.

Would definitly say not Tier 0, maybe bottom of Tier 1 or top of Tier 2


300 fells lika a bad copy of vhs, so much grain in a movie is just plain pathetic, i could just buy the dvd and save those money..
the sound though is top notch, the best i´ve heard in a movie so far
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Mark 300 down for bottom tier 1 or tier 2. But I'd say tier 1 because it looks great for what it is.

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My own personal screen viewing distance is about one screen width.

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My own personal screen viewing distance is about one screen width.

You really seem to think I have something against Warner other than the PQ of their HD releases.

If 300 really looks as good as so many are saying, no one will be happier than me.

And I confess that the reviews of Hot Fuzz have tempted me to buy a copy and hook my HD DVD player back up in order to watch it.


You really should. It is the best presentation of any high def format yet.

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