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post #901 of 21713 Old 09-17-2007, 03:03 PM
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I watched Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City Music Hall last night. It is awesome in both PQ and Sound. The best HiDef concert ever that I have watched. It is topmost notch in quality.

Not a big DM fan, but how does it compare to concerts on MHD? Their concert-casts are usually phenomenal.

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I watched Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds Live at Radio City Music Hall last night. It is awesome in both PQ and Sound. The best HiDef concert ever that I have watched. It is topmost notch in quality.

Watched it yesterday for the first time myself and must say this one if def up there. At least tier one video and the audio makes it a top tier one disc.

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Not a big DM fan, but how does it compare to concerts on MHD? Their concert-casts are usually phenomenal.

Actually another reason I like this is because you have just the two musicians on stage with their guitars. There is no band, dancers or other visual gimmicks that distract the viewer/listener from music. See this review for some details.
[url="http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/964/davematthews_liveatradiocity.html"]

I played it with Dolby True HD 5.1 96khz/24bit through a PS/3 connected via HDMI to an Onkyo 805 set to Pure Audio mode. I simply was mesmerized. To me, this disk is reference quality.
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Replacements Killers viewed on PS3 and 1080p Sony A3000 looked really good. Its a low Gold / high Silver as someone else echo'd a while back.
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Replacements Killers viewed on PS3 and 1080p Sony A3000 looked really good. Its a low Gold / high Silver as someone else echo'd a while back.

Watched the movie last night and I agree with your placement.

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I'm going to get the DM/TR one eventually but from what I've heard its excellent PQ and AQ. I expect top of tier 1 for placement..

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Austin,

The silver colored text in the Silver Tier is cool but hard to read against a white background. Can it be adjusted? Has this been mentioned already?
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The silver colored text in the Silver Tier is cool but hard to read against a white background. Can it be adjusted? Has this been mentioned already?

It has, and we've worked around the different color schemes people have (many have black, some have white). The colors (for now) are final unless many people speak out. They have in the past, I reworked the color scheme, and mostly everyone was happy with it.

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Any update on getting HDDb reviews linked in the title listing?

I'll have some free time this afternoon, I can get some of the links together formatted in vB code, but only if this is still planned to be implemented.
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Links to HDDb, formatted with colors and titles in bold. Quote my post to copy the coding.

And I apologive if any links are to the wrong titles. You'll have to forgive my blurry-eyed copying/pasting

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TIER 0 -Blu-

Completely flawless picture. No artifacts whatsoever, no matter how small. Demo Material - These show just what Blu-Ray is all about and everyone should own one to show any guests in their home. Show someone one of these films and they'll want to join the Blu side


Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest (PCM)
Corpse Bride



TIER 1 -GOLD-

Demo Material, but minor artifacting may be present which the untrained eye may not necessarily spot. Little if any visible compression. Sharp image that has a lot of HD-POP effects. If you are thinking about buying a movie in this tier don't hesitate. Show someone one of these films and they'll want to join the Blu side


Chicken Little (PCM)
Open Season (PCM)
TMNT
Apocalypto (PCM)
Black Snake Moan
Crank (PCM)(IME)
The Messengers
The Host
Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of the Black Pearl (PCM)
The Fifth Element (PCM) (Remastered)
The Patriot
Happy Feet
Battle of The Bulge
The Wild (PCM)
The Ant Bully
A Scanner Darkly
Curse of the Golden Flower
300
Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within
Happily N'Ever After
Black Hawk Down (BW)(PCM)
Kingdom of Heaven (MA)
Roving Mars (This documentary includes some SD 4:3 shots which resulted in lower placement. HD Quality is top of tier one, however due to SD and feedback this film is placed lower).




TIER 2 -SILVER-


Not as many HD POP effects, but a sharp image that feels real. Not quite Demo material but a quality picture which looks better than upconverted DVDs


Ice Age: The Meltdown
(MA)(banding in sky shots)
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (MA)
Tears of the Sun (PCM)
Underworld: Evolution (PCM)
Casino Royale (PCM)
Legends of Jazz (THD)
Gridiron Gang (PCM)
Discovery Atlas: Australia
Weeds Season 1
Nine Inch Nails: Beside You In Time (THD)
Aeon Flux
Sahara
Letters From Iwo Jima (THD)
Flags of Our Fathers
Identity
Ghost Rider (PCM) (THD)
The Prestige (PCM)
The Marine
Planet Earth
Hellboy (PCM)(European Release)
The Queen (PCM)
Premonition
Goal: The Dream Begins
Mission: Impossible III (crushed blacks)
Eight Below (PCM)
Kung Fu Hustle (PCM)
World Trade Center
Bridge to Terabithia
Night at the Museum (MA)
Training Day
ATL
Norbit
Transporter 2 (MA)
Flyboys (MA)
Casanova
The Untouchables
Revenge (PCM)
Ultimate Avengers (7.1 PCM)
The Guardian (PCM)
Into the Blue (PCM)
Music and Lyrics
Cruel Intentions
The Departed (PCM)
The Sentinel
Reign of Fire (PCM)
Fantastic 4 (MA)
Blood Diamond (PCM)
Seven Years in Tibet
The Manchurian Candidate
Phantom of the Opera
Good Night and Good Luck
The Lost City (PCM)
Toto: Live in Amsterdam
The Architect
District B13
Swordfish
The Wicker Man
Invincible (PCM)
Layer Cake (PCM)
The Covenant (PCM)
Deja Vu (PCM)
X-Men: The Last Stand (MA)
The Descent (PCM)(IME) Requires latest firmware
The Pursuit of Happyness (PCM)
Catch & Release (PCM)
Chicago
Dreamgirls
Closer (PCM)
Donnie Brasco (PCM)
Pearl Harbor (PCM)
Scooby Doo
Hart's War
Stranger than Fiction (PCM)
Babel
Flight of the Phoenix (MA)
Monster House (PCM)
Payback
Behind Enemy Lines (MA)
The World's Fastest Indian
Rocky Balboa (PCM)
Saw III
Bubble
The Cowboys



TIER 3 -BRONZE-

Few HD POP effects, some digital noise/artifacting. Not demo material, but a better picture than up-converted DVDs


King Arthur (PCM)
The Brothers Grimm (PCM)
Eragon
Ultraviolet (PCM)
Dog Day Afternoon
Black Rain
We Were Soldiers
The Transporter (MA)
A Knight's Tale (PCM)
Courage Under Fire (MA)
The War Within
Memento (PCM)
Van Wilder
ENRON: The Smartest Guys In The Room
Dirty Dancing
Flatliners
Chronos
The Road Warrior
Relentless Enemies
Rising Sun
Incubus Alive at Red Rocks
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (PCM)
Stomp the Yard (THD)
Alien Vs. Predator (MA)
Flightplan (PCM)
Haunted Mansion (PCM)
One Last Thing
Stargate
S.W.A.T. (PCM)
Enemy of the State (PCM)
Species (PCM)
Resident Evil: Apocalypse (PCM)(BW)
The Great Raid (PCM)
Space Cowboys
The Last Samurai
Stealth (PCM)
Lord of War
Stir of Echoes
Dinosaur (PCM)
Gone in 60 Seconds (PCM)
House of Wax
Blazing Saddles
Glory Road
Sky Captain (purposefully blurry)
Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang
Click (PCM)
The Terminator (PCM)
Beerfest
Million Dollar Baby
Unforgiven
Under Siege
Mission Impossible 2
Mission: Impossible
Speed (MA)
The Tailor of Panama (PCM)
50 First Dates (PCM)
Four Brothers
First Blood
Reservoir Dogs
Young Guns
16 Blocks
John Legend: Live at the House of Blues (PCM)
Vertical Limit (PCM)
Rumor Has It
The Holiday (PCM)
Chain Reaction (MA)
The Exorcism of Emily Rose(UK Import)(PCM)
Terminator 2
Superman: The Movie
RV (PCM)
Basic Instinct
Failure to Launch
Superman Returns
Purple Rain



TIER 4 -COPPER-

Soft or occasionally artifacted. An overall flat but satisfactory image.


The Black Crowes

The Lake House
Goodfellas
Rocky
The Fountain
Big Fish (PCM)
The Devil Wears Prada
Hoosiers
Hostel (UK Import)(PCM)
Firewall
The Italian Job
Lethal Weapon 2 (bobbed)
Silent Hill (PCM)
]Lethal Weapon (bobbed)
Talladega Nights (PCM)
The Devil's Rejects
Basic Instinct 2 (PCM)
The New Orleans Benefit Concert
Tomb Raider
Sky High (PCM)
The Usual Suspects
Crash
Dark Water (PCM)
Finding Neverland (PCM)
Entrapment
Living Landscapes: HD Hawaii
Saw II
American Psycho
Hitch (PCM)
Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
Saw
Planet of the Apes
Broken Arrow
March of the Penguins
Total Recall
The Punisher
XXX (PCM)
Destinys Child live in atlanta
Nacho Libre
Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back
Employee of the Month (PCM)
Sleepy Hollow (digital noise)
Reds


TIER 5 -COAL-

Only slightly better than DVD.Visible artifacting, softness, quality rivals upconverted DVD


Bullitt
U2: Rattle and Hum
The Dirty Dozen
The Fugitive (bobbed)
Full Metal Jacket (bobbed)
The Fifth Element (PCM) (Original)
The House of Flying Daggers (PCM)
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Anyone get Troy yet?? I'm wondering if the PQ will be as good or even better than the HD-dvd version(Not that I've ever seen a HD-DVD in action)
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Why so many tier 3 and tier 4 disks????

I thought hi-def meant "high definition.""

Are studios just lazy to clean up images????
What about 2005/2006/2007 movies? How come 95% are at least tier 2????
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SuprSlow...wow. Good job. But I don't really understand the point of HDDb...is it just to get links to other sites that have reviews? Seems like there should be info about the movie on the site itself.

Pics from my TV here and here.
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SuprSlow...wow. Good job. But I don't really understand the point of HDDb...is it just to get links to other sites that have reviews? Seems like there should be info about the movie on the site itself.


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Yeah, it's nothing more than a collection of links to review sites.

IMO, it's a handy tool to have since most of the sites don't have a review for each and every BD available. Not only that, but some users here and elsewhere don't seem to care for certain reviewers, so a "one-stop-shop" for links to other sites seems like a convienient feature.
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There is no way Casino Royale can belong to a the same tier as Norbit. Casino Royale is tier 1 in picture quality (equal to 300 IMO). Using PS3 with 1.93 firmware on Samsung 5271 from 7-8 feet.
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Still interested to see where Dave Mathews/Tim Reynolds falls into place with its excellent audio and video

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How does Men Of Honor rate?? i dont see it on the list
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There is no way Casino Royale can belong to a the same tier as Norbit. Casino Royale is tier 1 in picture quality (equal to 300 IMO). Using PS3 with 1.93 firmware on Samsung 5271 from 7-8 feet.


I too was suprised to see Casino Royale as a silver. I only have a panny 26" crt(1080i) using my ps3 for bd playback, so my setup is nowhere near reference, but I was very impressed with the PQ in casino royale, especially on the 2nd viewing. I felt that it was on equal ground with 300(i own 300 on hddvd though, through an hda1, so take this with a grain of salt) taking into account the visual style of 300. I also felt Casino was consistently more visually impressive than DMC, though DMC definitely had some gorgeous scenes. Part of that is probably due to the fact that there are so many dark scenes in DMC, and on my small set some of the detail wasn't as apparent as it would have been on a larger set.

Again, my setup is nowhere near reference, or even as nice as many of those who post on the boards, but I figured I'd toss my opinion out there anyway.

P.S. I love this thread, always gives me good guidance for eye candy rentals.
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Casino Royale should most definitely be in the GOLD category.
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These are titles that have yet to be tiered. Some may have not been released yet. And I apologize for any errors or omissions.

I know some of you either own these or have seen them, so give your opinion. Remember the requirements for tier placement: equipment info (display, player, connections, etc) and VIEWING DISTANCE!

No. Title
1 A Christmas Story
2 A Few Good Men
3 A View From Space With Heavenly Music
4 AIR Pony Canyon
5 Alexander Revisted: The Final Cut
6 Alice Cooper: Live at Montreux 2005
7 All the King's Men
8 Annapolis
9 Are We Done Yet?
10 Arlington Road
11 Bikini Destinations: Triple Fantasy
12 Blood and Chocolate
13 Blood: The Last Vampire
14 Blue Planet (IMAX)
15 Bruce Springsteen with the Sessions Band: Live in Dublin
16 Bulletproof Monk
17 Chris Botti: Live with Orchestra and Guests
18 Coming to America
19 Daddy's Little Girls
20 Dave Matthews and Tim Reynolds: Live at Radio City
21 Deliverance
22 Delta Farce
23 Discovery Atlas: Brazil Revealed
24 Discovery Atlas: China Revealed
25 Discovery Atlas: Italy Revealed
26 Disturbia
27 Doctor Strange
28 Dragon's Lair
29 Elvis Costello & The Imposters: Live in Memphis
30 Enter the Dragon
31 Freedom Writers
32 G.I. Jane
33 HDNet World Report: Shuttle Discovery’s Historic Mission
34 House of 1000 Corpses
35 Hustle & Flow
36 Immortal Beloved
37 Infernal Affairs (Import)
38 Jailhouse Rock
39 Kung Fu Hustle
40 Ladder 49
41 Lady in the Water
42 Living Landscapes: HD Hawaii
43 Men of Honor
44 Muriel Anderson: A Guitarscape Planet
45 National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation
46 National Lampoon's Van Wilder
47 Nature's Colors with the World's Greatest Music
48 Nip/Tuck: The Complete Fourth Season
49 Out for Justice
50 Pat Metheny Group: The Way Up - Live
51 Perfect Stranger
52 Phone Booth
53 Primeval
54 Rambo: First Blood
55 Remember the Titans
56 Rescue Me: The Complete Third Season
57 Rio Bravo
58 Royal Space Force: Wings of Honneamise
59 Running with Scissors
60 Secret Window
61 Shooter
62 Smallville: The Complete Sixth Season
63 Syriana
64 The Benchwarmers
65 The Big Hit
66 The Condemned
67 The Getaway
68 The Last Waltz
69 The Lives of Others
70 The Lookout
71 The Omen (666)
72 The Replacement Killers: Extended Cut
73 The Searchers
74 The Sopranos: Season Six, Part I
75 The Warriors: Ultimate Director's Cut
76 Tony Bennett: An American Classic
77 Trading Places
78 Troy: Director's Cut
79 Vacancy
80 Viva Las Vegas
81 Volver
82 Waiting: Unrated and Raw
83 Warriors of Heaven and Earth
84 We Are Marshall
85 Weeds: Season Two
86 Wild Hogs
87 Wild Things: Unrated Edition
88 Windtalkers
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You DO have a lot of time on your hands.

Thanks for posting this. I am particularly interested in Kung Fu Hustle. I actually own it, but I can't compare it with any other on the tier list. You know how perspectives can create debates... but I will give it a try.

[EDIT] Wait, I just went back to the list to try and find something there that I already have, and Kung Fu Hustle is in the silver category already.
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The next list

These are titles that have yet to be tiered. Some may have not been released yet. And I apologize for any errors or omissions.

I know some of you either own these or have seen them, so give your opinion. Remember the requirements for tier placement: equipment info (display, player, connections, etc) and VIEWING DISTANCE!


(snip)
65 "The Best of Blu-ray, Vol. 1 "
66 "The Best of Blu-ray, Vol. 2 "
67 "The Best of Blu-ray, Vol. 3 "

As I understand, these are just re-releases of movies in a bundle... I don't think the movies need to be re-tiered since there was no re-encoding done AFAIK.
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I'm really interested to hear how Troy ended up looking. I stupidly ordered from Amazon, so I'm not getting mine for a few weeks

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As I understand, these are just re-releases of movies in a bundle... I don't think the movies need to be re-tiered since there was no re-encoding done AFAIK.

Thanks, post edited
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wow, just got finished with BLACK RAIN and i think it should be even lower. it's pretty soft, no 3-d, very flat.....
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Got DMB Concert...i thought picture was nice, but i thought the sound was far more impressive than the picture. The details on the guitars is incredible, however, it didn't have a very 3-d look in my opinion. This is by far the best sounding release i've yet to hear.
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The next list

These are titles that have yet to be tiered. Some may have not been released yet. And I apologize for any errors or omissions.

I know some of you either own these or have seen them, so give your opinion. Remember the requirements for tier placement: equipment info (display, player, connections, etc) and VIEWING DISTANCE!

I bought Trading Places and Coming to America but haven't watched them yet. I'll try and get to them this weekend and give my thoughts.

I thought Curse of the Golden Flower was already placed on the list?

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POTC 1 and 2 are soft and should not be in the top tiers
Starship Troopers in comparison is amazingly detailed and not even on the list
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I would put house of 1k corpse in high silver, it is one of the best transfers i have seen, i am watching on a 26" lcd ps3 connected through hdmi, and sitting about 2-3 feet away
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