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The Son of No One

Well textured police drama that is almost saved on the the quality of the transfer... okay, not really. Unimaginably stupid movie that tends to waver in focus, but pours on the facial detail, even with the kids. Black levels keep a fine consistency. A little flicker and dull color palette bring it down a few notches.

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Disappointed with GRG's thoughts on Hugo although the glowing review on BR.com has raised hopes a bit.

It's a great disc with marginal problems, enough to ding it in this thread for sure, namely the bland color palette. You can remain excited, especially for the spectacular exteriors and aerials.
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Lady and the Tramp

Another wonderful restoration from Disney. Nice and sharp throughout with great color that pops from the backgrounds, but not over saturated and fake looking. Excellent blacks and shadow details come through on dark scenes. A great improvement from the DVD version, the Diamond Editions continue to show Disney animated movies how they were meant to be seen.

Tier Recommendation: 1.0, right above Bambi

I'm torn, because for the first time, it looks like the noise reduction used to remove the grain appears visible. It seems apparent during longer shots of the dogs. Everything else said is true, but I can't get past what looks noise reduced.

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The Big Year

Fox sharpens this one, result in marred aerials and environment shots. In close it's fine, superior to most discs. Problems only tend to arise as a distance, and especially in motion. Some black crush clears itself up, while stock footage looks even worse than it did before because of the tampering.

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I'm torn, because for the first time, it looks like the noise reduction used to remove the grain appears visible. It seems apparent during longer shots of the dogs. Everything else said is true, but I can't get past what looks noise reduced.

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That's very possible. I got stuck with the 'bad seat' on the couch, so I was more like 9' away instead of the usual 6' (from a 50"). I probably just missed it from that distance.

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That's very possible. I got stuck with the 'bad seat' on the couch, so I was more like 9' away instead of the usual 6' (from a 50"). I probably just missed it from that distance.

I'm not saying you were wrong at all. I just looked like it to me when it was in motion. The backgrounds looked fine to me, which made me question what was going on, if anything.

For all I know, it's a side effect of the animation style that just looks a little "blob-ish" these days.
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Needless: Collection 1

recommendation: Tier 1.75*


Needless is a 2009 series from animation studio Madhouse and distributor Sentai Filmworks. Lush colors and simple, clean artwork are the highlights on this two-disc set. It wavers between tiers one and two from time to time but displays enough quality to permanently reside in the higher tier.

The transfer is quite good for animation and the VC-1 video encode is up to the task of delivering an artifact-free presentation. Character designs are too simplistic and do not show enough detail and fluidity to compare to the better animated theatrical features on Blu-ray. Fans though should be happy with how the picture quality looks overall.
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Project A 2

What a pile. Out of 1200+ discs viewed, this ranks right near the very bottom. I've never seen compression like this, even on a DVD. They at least hide it better. Black crush is debilitating to the image, and medium shots turn into flat, mushy messes. Print damage is evident and there's no detail to speak of. Actually, the only thing I've seen that's worse was the '39 version of Gulliver's Travels.

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Ghost Rider (2007)

For an older title this had me impressed. Nice and clear, good detail and close ups too! Really nice filmic look about it, not perfect but a pleasure to watch.

Tier 1.25

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Moneyball

Finally watched Moneyball. Definitely not in GRG's camp. I found the grain to be not only tolerable but nice looking, generally speaking. Detail was moderately strong. The color palette was realistic, and shadow detail was good. Black levels did seem to fluctuate every once in a while, usually in interior sets, which were shot rather darkly.

There are of course a good number of of archival shots which look like slightly older television. But honestly, they flash by so quickly that they don't pull be out of "HD land," personally. Also, I'm kind of partial to the representation of pixels these images showed. I did not see any edge enhancement or DNR, and I detected about 5 second of moire on one character's shirt (I believe it was a blue striped shirt worn by the Art Howe character). All in all, this is a good, solid, filmic, but not great HD presentation of a modern film.

Tier Recommendation: 1.75


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Ponyo

recommendation: Tier 1.5


Disney released this Studio Ghibli film back in 2010 and did an exemplary job on the transfer. Ponyo's palette employs softer pastels in an animation style that is softer and rounder than is typical for a theatrical feature. The picture quality is still stunning but lacks some of the sparkle seen in the best animated features in high-definition. Its current placement in Tier 1.0 looks a bit too high in my estimation, though it definitely has an argument for that ranking. How one feels about the artwork in Ponyo will heavily influence one's judgment of the picture quality. What we really need is Howl's Moving Castle on BD.

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Moneyball

Finally watched Moneyball. Definitely not in GRG's camp. I found the grain to be not only tolerable but nice looking, generally speaking. Detail was moderately strong. The color palette was realistic, and shadow detail was good. Black levels did seem to fluctuate every once in a while, usually in interior sets, which were shot rather darkly.

There are of course a good number of of archival shots which look like slightly older television. But honestly, they flash by so quickly that they don't pull be out of "HD land," personally. Also, I'm kind of partial to the representation of pixels these images showed. I did not see any edge enhancement or DNR, and I detected about 5 second of moire on one character's shirt (I believe it was a blue striped shirt worn by the Art Howe character). All in all, this is a good, solid, filmic, but not great HD presentation of a modern film.

Tier Recommendation: 1.75


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Ditto!

Well, that makes THREE votes for 1.75 and only ONE for 3.0. Maybe if we get a few more votes for Tier One this title will get the placement it deserves. (Sorry GRG, I just HAD to say that.)

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Well, that makes THREE votes for 1.75 and only ONE for 3.0. Maybe if we get a few more votes for Tier One this title will get the placement it deserves. (Sorry GRG, I just HAD to say that.)

I tend to disregard outlier recommendations if there is a strong consensus from a plethora of participants on a different score. To use an illustrative example, an imagined user ranking Avatar in Tier 4.5 would likely not be included for consideration unless that poster made a very compelling argument for the low score.
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Ditto!

Well, that makes THREE votes for 1.75 and only ONE for 3.0. Maybe if we get a few more votes for Tier One this title will get the placement it deserves. (Sorry GRG, I just HAD to say that.)

And I still stand on the side that the compression is a mess, so there.

Beneath the Darkness

Black levels are pitiful, ruining every nighttime shot. No depth is generated whatsoever and it washes out the image. Was actually beginning to believe my set was on the way out. Detail is fair at best, but not enough to save it.

Tier 3.5*


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Johnny English Reborn

Brightly saturated until the end when it becomes a bland teal. Detail is crisp is totally inconsistent. Contrast is poppy, and sharpness is acceptable.

Tier 2.75*
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Can someone recommend a movie (non-animated and something other than The Spirit) to show off display black level performance? Thank you.
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Can someone recommend a movie (non-animated and something other than The Spirit) to show off display black level performance? Thank you.

Try The Unborn. I'm sure there are other better ones, but that comes to mind.

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Try The Unborn. I'm sure there are other better ones, but that comes to mind.

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Can someone recommend a movie (non-animated and something other than The Spirit) to show off display black level performance? Thank you.

Good question that brings to mind several different answers from the upper tiers. Live Free Or Die Hard, Youth Without Youth, any flavor of Watchmen, and Hot Fuzz are all good examples.
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Can someone recommend a movie (non-animated and something other than The Spirit) to show off display black level performance? Thank you.

The Dark Knight, Hell Boy 2, Mission to Mars, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Underworld, Crouching Tiger (night scenes), Blade 2, Sin City probably the best for black levels.
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Detail is crisp is totally inconsistent.

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The Dark Knight, Hell Boy 2, Mission to Mars, 2001: A Space Odyssey, Underworld, Crouching Tiger (night scenes), Blade 2, Sin City probably the best for black levels.

Good call on Sin City, that might be the best choice for this question.
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anybody by chance pick up Hugo and test it out yet?
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Ha! Should be "BUT totally inconsistent."

Guess it's good to know that someone actually reads these things.
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anybody by chance pick up Hugo and test it out yet?

My notes are back a page. Great looking disc with few faults.
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Can someone recommend a movie (non-animated and something other than The Spirit) to show off display black level performance? Thank you.

Watchmen
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The Two Towers EE disc 2 (i.e. the battle of Helm's Deep)
Fight Club
Batman Begins/The Dark Knight

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My notes are back a page. Great looking disc with few faults.

ah dang i missed it, thanks!
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Can someone recommend a movie (non-animated and something other than The Spirit) to show off display black level performance? Thank you.

Not show off but impressive black levels are a must for something like The Last of the Mohicans. Se7en comes to mind also.
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The Adventures of Tintin

An absolute marvel that should dominate this thread. Fantastic, rich texture. Brilliant, popping colors. Flawless, rich black levels. Outstanding bright, vivid contrast. Immense, perfect dimensionality. Short of some limited aliasing, this is perfect.

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The Adventures of Tintin

An absolute marvel that should dominate this thread. Fantastic, rich texture. Brilliant, popping colors. Flawless, rich black levels. Outstanding bright, vivid contrast. Immense, perfect dimensionality. Short of some limited aliasing, this is perfect.

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Very excited to own the BD after reading that review! I'm not surprised either...it looked sensational in the theater.

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