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post #181 of 21958 Old 06-13-2007, 07:41 AM - Thread Starter
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I haven't gotten Ghost Rider so I'd appreciate your opinion on it Iggster.

I've only watched the first chapter of apacolypto so I'll take your word for it; moving to Tier 0 right below DMC (and let's just say they are equal).

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It is way better than DMC. way better.

Check your display.

I think (by your tier thread) for sharpness it is tier 0

didnt the Pole say the same thing??

hmmmm...

No need to check my display; It's in good shape.

The poll was running it about tier 0/1 (bottom of 0 top of 1).

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after months of owning both titles, I finally watched USUAL SUSPECTS and FUGITIVE last night. Oh man.....i've been spoiled by some of the new releases. I thought both of these titles looked terrible. THE FUGITIVE in particular looked like SD-DVD to me. USUAL SUSPECTS looked terribly muddy, but did have a few shots which looked great....so it was inconsistent. It definitely had the potential to look better for most of the duration of the film, I am convinced the source print was just soft to begin with and had some isolated shots that were done "right".

At least we got these right

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yeah, Apocalypto definitely deserves to be Tier 0, imo. Thanks!
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^ I say lower T 0.
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This is precisely what I expected to happen.

By flawless, do you mean incredible 3D at one camera angle followed by amazingly clear and flawless grain at another... within the same scene? Can someone explain to me how Apocalypto is a Completely flawless picture. No artifacts whatsoever, no matter how small? Keep in mind that I do not care if the film stock caused the grain - the fact remains that it is there. So in this case, it seems democracy ain't so cool.

This has confirmed to me that this thread has lost credibility. Given this, the moderators' recent behaviors and posts (in this thread and others), and that I managed to find the original list elsewhere still going strong, I think it's time for me to move on.

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Lets pretend the "Completely flawless picture. No artifacts whatsoever, no matter how small" mantra for BD Tier 0 (for which I find really inaccurate) doesn't exist.

You have a problem with Apocalypto on Tier 0 but no problem with DMC?
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How many have actually seen the two movies? At the same setup? Can you really tell me honestly that DMC is better looking than Apocalypto?
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How many have actually seen the two movies? At the same setup? Can you really tell me honestly that DMC is better looking than Apocalypto?

When Apocalypto shines, no other HD title can beat it. It simply is the best looking HD title thus far. However, DMC is more consistent in terms of PQ. Apocalypto is inconsistent due to the different cameras used. The difference is jarring and distracting.

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How many have actually seen the two movies? At the same setup? Can you really tell me honestly that DMC is better looking than Apocalypto?

I have on my 720p pj. For me "better" is a qualifier that comes down to preference. Apocalypto certainly looks cleaner. Since it was shot primarily with HD cameras it brings that razor sharp pixel mapped look that only video can impart - regardless of being shot at 24p. I've spent a good 25+ years in broadcast, yet when it comes to storytelling, I prefer the amorphous quality that film retains - it seems more "alive" to me. So I prefer DMC.

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ok done watching it (ghost rider), its not to bad of a movie IMO it should be ranked tier 1 around the prestige and sound is ok but lacking bass. i was using the truehd track
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When Apocalypto shines, no other HD title can beat it. It simply is the best looking HD title thus far. However, DMC is more consistent in terms of PQ. Apocalypto is inconsistent due to the different cameras used. The difference is jarring and distracting.

This is why I also think it should be the tops of Tier 1, but not Tier 0.

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...the hell is that supposed to mean? Whatever it is, it's wrong.

i guess you werent around for the Fett era? he pioneered this thread.

in his tiers. he used the term "many examples of 3d" as in the picture is so sharp, it has a 3d look. although I don't agree with most of Fett's stuff. I do agree with the description of "3d"

and apacalypto had many more examples of the picture being soo sharp, it gives the effect of popping off of the screen.

atleast on my display(s)




get with the program son

atleast do your homework.

who else agrees with the 3d description?

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Apocalypto is inconsistent due to the different cameras used. The difference is jarring and distracting.

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This is why I also think it should be the tops of Tier 1, but not Tier 0.

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Exactly! I agree 100%

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I have no idea what Night at the Museum is doing in Tier 3, but it needs to be moved WAY up. This is an absolutely stellar looking title. Incredibly detailed, superb contrast, and one of the best examples of "three dimensionality and depth" that I have seen yet. I am very surprised that more people have not been screaming wild praises of this title, as it is absolutely incredible!

Tier 1 (GOLD) as far as I am concerned (yes, better than titles such as even the excellent Casino Royale)!

The movie wasn't very good, but that has nothing to do with the top notch PQ!
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Tier 3 maybe not, But lower tier 2 yes. I didn't really see many "3d" scenes and it was soft overall. Even rocky balboa has better pq. Night at the museum does not compare to casino royale in pq and not even sq
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I do agree it should be moved up though, but right below rocky balboa and Monster house should be moved down in its place.
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ok done watching it (ghost rider), its not to bad of a movie IMO it should be ranked tier 1 around the prestige and sound is ok but lacking bass. i was using the truehd track

Anyone else rent/buy this movie and watch it yet or was i the only one lol?
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Tier 3 maybe not, But lower tier 2 yes. I didn't really see many "3d" scenes and it was soft overall. Even rocky balboa has better pq. Night at the museum does not compare to casino royale in pq and not even sq

Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree. In fact, I couldn't disagree any stronger! Soft? Not a chance. Not even remotely soft!

Didn't see many "3d" scenes? Then there is something wrong somewhere in your setup. There are very few titles on either format (if any) that have more three dimensional looking scenes with great depth than Night at the Museum!

Stellar title in terms of PQ. MUCH better than Rocky Balboa (but RB was pretty good in it's own right).
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Didn't see many "3d" scenes? Then there is something wrong somewhere in your setup.

How is that possible?

1. Many others agree with the placement lower tier 2 or higher tier 3 remember theirs a new rating system.
2. If something was wrong with my setup wouldn't other movies be blurry? IMO even GHOST RIDER puts NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM to shame.

I have watched NIGHT AT THE MUSEUM a good 6 times due to my crazy son but even he is bored of watching it now lol
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Sorry, but I STRONGLY disagree. In fact, I couldn't disagree any stronger! Soft? Not a chance. Not even remotely soft!

Didn't see many "3d" scenes? Then there is something wrong somewhere in your setup. There are very few titles on either format (if any) that have more three dimensional looking scenes with great depth than Night at the Museum!

Stellar title in terms of PQ. MUCH better than Rocky Balboa (but RB was pretty good in it's own right).

I agree, I saw tons of 3d scenes as well throughout.

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Anyone else rent/buy this movie and watch it yet or was i the only one lol?

I have it sitting at home waiting for Friday night.
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Im not one to question anyone who makes this tier as i really use it to gague the overall pq of a title, but weeds is very high for what it looked like on my tv. It was nice but top tier title i think not.
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I have no idea what Night at the Museum is doing in Tier 3, but it needs to be moved WAY up. This is an absolutely stellar looking title. Incredibly detailed, superb contrast, and one of the best examples of "three dimensionality and depth" that I have seen yet. I am very surprised that more people have not been screaming wild praises of this title, as it is absolutely incredible!

Tier 1 (GOLD) as far as I am concerned (yes, better than titles such as even the excellent Casino Royale)!

The movie wasn't very good, but that has nothing to do with the top notch PQ!

I agree 100% - and was silently waiting for someone to finally speak out about the positive merits of this title! I use Night At The Museum for (1:85) demo purposes - and everyone who has seen it is blown away by its numerous scenes of "three dimensionality and depth."
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I agree, I saw tons of 3d scenes as well throughout.

Thank you!

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I agree 100% - and was silently waiting for someone to finally speak out about the positive merits of this title! I use Night At The Museum for (1:85) demo purposes - and everyone who has seen it is blown away by its numerous scenes of "three dimensionality and depth."

Thank you too John! I agree that it is definitely demo worthy material all the way! Very consistent throughout too! This title really pops on the RS1.
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Have anyone seen Bridge to Terabithia ? I enjoyed it but not as much as Chronicle of Narnia which I hope will be on blu-ray soon. Does anyone know when will Lord of the Rings or Harry Porter movies will be on blu-ray ?
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Have anyone seen Bridge to Terabithia ? I enjoyed it but not as much as Chronicle of Narnia which I hope will be on blu-ray soon. Does anyone know when will Lord of the Rings or Harry Porter movies will be on blu-ray ?

I hate how people compare that movie to Narnia, it has absolutely nothing to do with Narnia.

the last 2 minutes of the film are pretty much the only Narnia-esqe scenes in the whole film.

that's why they pretty much show that in all the trailers.

the movie is about Friendship and Loss, and Dealing with that.

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Anyone see Music and Lyrics? I have that and Blood Diamond coming tomorrow. Watching one of these with some friends so hopefully they look half decent.
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How many have actually seen the two movies? At the same setup? Can you really tell me honestly that DMC is better looking than Apocalypto?

Me. Yes. Yes.

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wow apocalypto now tier 0? that means it has a flawless picture? Nice.
i didnt watched the blu-ray yet.

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wow apocalypto now tier 0? that means it has a flawless picture? Nice.
i didnt watched the blu-ray yet.

I've seen both DMC and Apolcalypto. DMC is better in terms of PQ but not by much...

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