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Captain America: The Winter Soldier

I thoroughly enjoyed this movie on all levels. The picture quality on this bluray is fantastic throughout.
The picture is without major flaw and has zero grain. Clarity and details are some of the best I have seen in recent memory, particularly on midrange and close shots of people and faces. Contrast is very strong and black levels are generally excellent save for a couple indoor shots that had slightly murky blacks. Shadow detail is impressive. The color pallet is slightly subdued but still well balanced with punchy primaries when called upon. Skin tones appear natural.

There are a quite a few images in this movie that are stunning. A couple memorable shots may be some of my new faves.

As a side note the audio is also great.

If not for the black levels slipping on a couple occasions I would rank it even higher but still...

Ranking-TIER 0 (about .40)

Viewed on 60" Panasonic ST60 from a distance of 5.5 feet.
BIB: This is a stunning transfer. Amazing quality. HOWEVER, for some weird reason the office scene with Rogers and Fury had pitiful black levels and the image looked hopelessly flat. I actually stopped it to be sure something hadn't gone wrong with my projector. This definitely puts it out of Tier 0. But other than that incredible detail throughout.
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BIB: This is a stunning transfer. Amazing quality. HOWEVER, for some weird reason the office scene with Rogers and Fury had pitiful black levels and the image looked hopelessly flat. I actually stopped it to be sure something hadn't gone wrong with my projector. This definitely puts it out of Tier 0. But other than that incredible detail throughout.
Well I guess I will just chalk it up to different opinions and priorities. As I stated in my review, there is a scene or two where the black levels slipped but I simply can't downgrade a bluray a whole tier for ONE shot. Not when the rest of the movie looks so good. To me Tier 0 does not necessarily require absolute perfection across the board for 100% of the movie. In my mind, worst case this is a bottom of Tier 0 title.

I have also seen others comment on softness in a couple shots. I can tell you there was none of that while being viewed from a distance of 5.5 ft. on my ST60 plasma with a Darbee processor in the loop (highdef 45%).
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Well I guess I will just chalk it up to different opinions and priorities. As I stated in my review, there is a scene or two where the black levels slipped but I simply can't downgrade a bluray a whole tier for ONE shot. Not when the rest of the movie looks so good. To me Tier 0 does not necessarily require absolute perfection across the board for 100% of the movie. In my mind, worst case this is a bottom of Tier 0 title.

I have also seen others comment on softness in a couple shots. I can tell you there was none of that while being viewed from a distance of 5.5 ft. on my ST60 plasma with a Darbee processor in the loop (highdef 45%).
Yeah, I misspoke. I looked at it again. It wasn't the office scene, it was the scene where Rogers and Romanov find the secret S.H.I.E.L.D. bunker in New Jersey. It seems it may have been an intentional look by the directors. The black levels and shadow detail were grey at best but just for that scene. The rest was amazing and I didn't see any of the supposed softness others mentioned.
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Well I guess I will just chalk it up to different opinions and priorities. As I stated in my review, there is a scene or two where the black levels slipped but I simply can't downgrade a bluray a whole tier for ONE shot. Not when the rest of the movie looks so good. To me Tier 0 does not necessarily require absolute perfection across the board for 100% of the movie. In my mind, worst case this is a bottom of Tier 0 title.

I have also seen others comment on softness in a couple shots. I can tell you there was none of that while being viewed from a distance of 5.5 ft. on my ST60 plasma with a Darbee processor in the loop (highdef 45%).
Does the Darbee help some visual content better than others? I'm interested in hearing your opinions on the subject.

I usually don't apply a significant penalty in my Tier assessments for brief scenes of lesser quality. That does become a factor the higher up the Tiers you reach. I wouldn't put a disc in the upper half of Tier 0 with questionable moments.


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